RSX taping out in few weeks, will we get Xenos/RSX new info?

Guden Oden said:
Apart from denoting that the design phase is finished and getting ready for sample production as Andy already explained, it also refers to the actual printing/engraving or whatever of the photo-masks that will be used when etching the silicone wafers that'll be the basis of the chips themselves. These masks obscure light from reaching photosensitive materials depositied onto the wafer, thus creating areas that'll react differently when treated with the acidic etching fluid (getting eaten away, or remaining in place). Different masks create different patterns in stages (quite many, it seems), making up the transistors (and possibly resistors, capacitors) of the chip until it is all finished. Metal is also vapor-deposited onto the wafer in stages, to create the electrical connections between transistors. Or something like this anyway, it was a long time I read about this kind of stuff so I may not remember all of it correctly. :D

Anyway, these days there's lengthy articles to study on the subject of CMOS semiconductors at wikipedia, so head over there if you want to know more. :)

Holy crap that sounds complex. Makes you wonder why 9 out of 10 boards aren't faulty :-|

Anyway thanks for your response, Guden and Andy.
 
Does anybody know the gate density in Sonys 90nm process?
I remember IBM having tighter than TSMC witch could explain the "mystical" big die of G70 as Dave and others were spinning on.. :)
 
Vince said:
400,000 gates per mm2, a 11ps gate delay and 7nw per MHz per gate.

Thanks Vince, do you have the relative numbers from IBM and TSMC on 90nm?
Btw how many M-layers are the current G70 on? I think Sony uses eight if im correct.
 
Not sure if this was posted anywhere else....May be Sony has a change of heart in regards to edram?

Sony to license NeoMagic's memory patents

MANHASSET, N.Y. — Processor supplier NeoMagic Corp. has granted Japan-based Sony Corp. a worldwide, non-exclusive license to all of its patents.

NeoMagic is expected to receive $5.6 million from Sony under the agreement.

The patents being licensed to Sony include those related to the use of embedded dynamic random-access-memory (DRAM) technology and on-chip memories in semiconductor integrated circuits.

NeoMagic (Santa Clara, Calif.) was one of the first companies to adopt large amounts of on-chip memory for commercial applications. Many industry sources consider NeoMagic's graphics controllers to be the semiconductor industry's first commercially-successful embedded DRAM products.
 
I doubt Sony will throw some eDRAM into the RSX. Isn't it a little late for that?

Also, wouldn't they need a daughter die like the Xenos with the built-in computation logic for AA, etc.?

Anybody offer some insight?
 
That could be for any electronics sector that Sony's involved in. eDRAM on RSX sounds very unlikely, unless it's a cheap alternative to SRAM for local data storage, but nothing to accomodate frame buffers or large tiles. I think it highly unlikely. If there IS any eDRAM on RSX it'll knock a rating point of KK's comments as he's explicitly denied eDRAM's use in PS3.
 
My Sony Vaio 505TX laptop from years ago had a NeoMagic video adapter with a couple MB of EDRAM. It's there to reduce cost and power usage and it's not particularly fast.

It looks like Neomagic has really fallen on hard times -- if you look at their 10Ks, they haven't turned any sort of profit since 2000 -- probably about since NVidia and ATI have started eating their lunch. It looks like they've been burning through $20 million a year in funds, and if you look at their remaining assets, at their current burn rate they've got about enough to last another year and half.

I wouldn't suprised if this agreement was related to NeoMagic deciding to license their patent portfolio to raise some desperately needed cash, and Sony buying some cheap insurance against lawsuits, rather than anything to do with applying NeoMagic's technologies to PS3 or any other product lines at Sony.

People have long since moved on from NeoMagic's stuff, and I'm not sure how competitive they can be now without a huge investment in resources and money.
 
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aaaaa00 said:
My Sony Vaio 505TX laptop from years ago had a NeoMagic video adapter with a couple MB of EDRAM. It's there to reduce cost and power usage and it's not particularly fast.

It looks like Neomagic has really fallen on hard times -- if you look at their 10Ks, they haven't turned any sort of profit since 2000 -- probably about since NVidia and ATI have started eating their lunch. It looks like they've been burning through $20 million a year in funds, and if you look at their remaining assets, at their current burn rate they've got about enough to last another year and half.

I wouldn't suprised if this agreement was related to NeoMagic deciding to license their patent portfolio to raise some desperately needed cash, and Sony buying some cheap insurance against lawsuits, rather than anything to do with applying NeoMagic's technologies to PS3 or any other product lines at Sony.

People have long since moved on from NeoMagic's stuff, and I'm not sure how competitive they can be now without a huge investment in resources and money.

Thats pretty interesting in its own right. Cost would be a factor once again.
 
aaaaa00 said:
I wouldn't suprised if this agreement was related to NeoMagic deciding to license their patent portfolio to raise some desperately needed cash, and Sony buying some cheap insurance against lawsuits, rather than anything to do with applying NeoMagic's technologies to PS3 or any other product lines at Sony.
Given the very low amounts involved it doesn't sound like contributory factor to Sony's long term profitability. You may well be right.
 
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