*ren* PSN Down, Customer Info Compromised

[Shifty Geezer]

I can't even imagine what Sony is going to do about this problem...

I think you misunderstand. It's only a fault of the web process, which was taken offline as soon as Sony were made aware to prevent any account thievery, and has been patched. The authentication via registered PS3 is still robust. Authentication via website should be robust once back online. This is just another embarrassing episode for Sony's security, which needs a complete overhaul. I wonder if the Head of Security post they created post PSN-hack was in place and in charge for this web error? I don't give much for chances of keeping his job if so!

 

[goonergaz]

You seem to agree this would be a good idea, so I don't understand where your complaints against the disgruntled minority comes from!

Well duh, don't you know I like an arguement for the sake of it!!

Seriouisly tho I think if they offered from 10 there would be the same arguement (just replace the number 5 with 10) and people would say 'why not 5 half-decent games instead of 10 really old ones' (etc).

I only benefit as I own InFamous, but I was aiming to play and sell on so technically I gain nothing from the PS3 selection (as I said I had been tempted by dead nation but hadn't when it was £5...I was waiting for it to be free with PS+).

 

[dlm]

I suppose so long as the password recovery requires you to access a link that goes to your e-mail account, then as long as your e-mail isn't compromised you should be okay.

Did the recovery scheme that they were using when you did the DoB bit not follow that and allow you to reset the PW without access to the underlying e-mail account?


I didn't go through that particular route when I reset my password (although I did it via the web). I just logged in using my old password and was sent an e-mail with an access token link to recover.

 

[BRiT]

Oh, FFS. How did they miss this?!

Pure incompetence when it comes to security.

 

[Cornsnake]

PlayStation 3's recent 3.61 firmware update is causing some consoles to overheat and shutdown, according to Rockstar Games.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-18-firmware-3-61-causing-ps3s-to-overheat

Chances are it's going to get worse still for Sony.

I can't help but feel that this whole mess won't be over for a long time.

 

[jonabbey]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-18-firmware-3-61-causing-ps3s-to-overheat

Chances are it's going to get worse still for Sony.

I can't help but feel that this whole mess won't be over for a long time.

I've wondered if I've actually been seeing this on my first-gen 60GB unit, but I haven't convinced myself of it yet. Hopefully Sony is on the case.

 

[AlNom]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-18-firmware-3-61-causing-ps3s-to-overheat

Chances are it's going to get worse still for Sony.

I can't help but feel that this whole mess won't be over for a long time.

It'll get better when they announce that this unlocks the 8th SPE and increases the clock speeds to 550/700 for RSX.

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:s But really, don't we hear about units breaking down after FW updates every time? I know it says R*'s been doing some testing, but they don't even mention their methodology. It's a bit of a stretch that the update would cause these old units to start overheating unless it decreased fan speeds or did something as silly as overclock the machines or some serious voltage setting fail.

 

[Xenus]

It seems there was a url that could be reached that allowed them to be reset without needing the key from the email. Aka it wasn't a hack at all but another system Sony had in place at some point or other that wasn't properly taken down just no longer linked to.

And the other news I'll wait to see if it happens on other games first. If it doesn't it's more then likely a Rockstar issue and not a Sony issue.

 

[Brad Grenz]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-05-18-firmware-3-61-causing-ps3s-to-overheat

Chances are it's going to get worse still for Sony.

I can't help but feel that this whole mess won't be over for a long time.

Doubtful this is any different than every other time a big game comes out and old systems that were near failure anyway go belly up. Really irresponsible of Rockstar to point the finger at the 3.61 update, though. They've already backed off of that.

 

[eastmen]

But you realize they didn't get Halo Reach?
Aside from the fact that the game is on another console, so they exclude a number of people by nature.



What are you talking about?!?
It's more like eternity v 26 days cause Xbox Live for the old XBox was completly shutdown. You won't be able to play XBL games on XBox1 ever again.

So your comparing the fact that gamers who bought halo 2 in 2004 could no longer play the game anymore in what 2010 / 11 ? who got 400 points , 3 months of live free ($15) and Halo reach beta for loosing acess to 6/7 year old games vs people who could have bought a system a week before and games a week before not having acess .

 

[-tkf-]

So your comparing the fact that gamers who bought halo 2 in 2004 could no longer play the game anymore in what 2010 / 11 ? who got 400 points , 3 months of live free ($15) and Halo reach beta for loosing acess to 6/7 year old games vs people who could have bought a system a week before and games a week before not having acess .

He is just commenting on jokers post about "what the box promises", i am sure the MS fine print says that in order to actual take full advantage of the game, you have to pay for access to multiplayer gaming. And that there is a undefined time limit.

Just as Sony and others very good at writing fine print that makes it clear(un?) that "shit happens" and they are not to blame.

Or, in other words, if we really want to discuss what the box promises we should compared EULA´s and fine print.

 

[makattack]

Where's my compensation for not being able to play XBox 1 games online? Where is it for Fifa xx, Madden xx, etc. ? Where is it for game xyz? Seems the whole industry owes me.

Not to change the topic, but why can't you play XB1 games online? I can understand the EA games, since they use their own services... but with most XB1 games, you can play them online as long as you have a computer tunneling the traffic:

http://www.xbconnect.com/index.php?topic=supportedgames

Far fewer games on the 360 support system link though.

 

[temesgen]

Sure , considering halo reach wasn't out and people didn't own it unlike the psn titles that are very old and many own it.

Also the amount of time (5 days vs 26 days ) it seems like a good deal to me.


Also it seems i can't fix my account cause sony was hacked again , good job sony !


For me I'm at 28 days of no service from sony , two more days and I'm at a full month without the service. Thats a hell of a diffrence compared to just 5 days with xbox live

Hmm, how many days of service with Live have people lost due to having 360s in for RROD service? Look it sucks that PSN is down but its a bit disingenuous to act like Sony is the only company with mistakes this generation. Further as I mentioned to you once before what Sony is dealing with is an unprecedented assault on their IT backbone by Geohots cahorts, a little context here helps. I doubt your beloved MS would fair much better under similar sustained pressure.

 

[AlNom]

Hmm, how many days of service with Live have people lost due to having 360s in for RROD service?

An extra 30 days of Gold Membership is given. Typical turn-around is about half that, plus they pay for shipping & handling. Considering the warranty is 3 years, it's hardly a loss on the part of the user.

I doubt your beloved MS would fair much better under similar sustained pressure.

Quite the strawman's argument... Just because it might be bad for someone else doesn't excuse what's actually occurring. It's just a simple fact that it has been almost a month of down time.

 

[temesgen]

An extra 30 days of Gold Membership is given. Typical turn-around is about half that, plus they pay for shipping & handling. Considering the warranty is 3 years, it's hardly a loss on the part of the user.



Quite the strawman's argument... Just because it might be bad for someone else doesn't excuse what's actually occurring. It's just a simple fact that it has been almost a month of down time.

PSN is free so no money is lost, using your argument what is someone losing by PSN being down other than time? Further I don't discount that what has happened is bad. What I am saying is that there is some context here which some seem to not appreciate. As far the straw man comment is concerned go read the original comment by Eastman; he was the one comparing 5 days to 30 and I am simply saying that if I add in all the lost time due to RROD exchanges the down time on both is probably equal if not in Sony's favor.

 

[AlphaWolf]

PSN is free so no money is lost, using your argument what is someone losing by PSN being down other than time? Further I don't discount that what has happened is bad. What I am saying is that there is some context here which some seem to not appreciate.

This has been explained half a dozen times already, but... you paid for PSN when you bought the box. They advertise the service as part of their product package, they are required to have it available for their customers, free or not.

 

[temesgen]

This has been explained half a dozen times already, but... you paid for PSN when you bought the box. They advertise the service as part of their product package, they are required to have it available for their customers, free or not.

My point is down time is down time, PSN has been down ~30 days, many 360 users have matched if not exceeded that due to RROD issues. Sony's PSN issue is very much like MS RROD in terms of the inconvenience to the consumer. Neither good but neither are the end of world either.

 

[AlNom]

I am simply saying that if I add in all the lost time due to RROD exchanges the down time on both is probably equal if not in Sony's favor.

Except they aren't equal situations. RROD is first and foremost a hardware issue. You not only lose online, but the ability to play period. That is not a valid point of comparison to PSN going offline, which is obviously a partial disability. An equal comparison would have been to YLOD, but hardware failure is so far removed from the issue at hand.

 

[temesgen]

Except they aren't equal situations. RROD is first and foremost a hardware issue. You not only lose online, but the ability to play period. That is not a valid point of comparison to PSN going offline, which is obviously a software-related situation. An equal comparison would have been to YLOD, but these are hardly relevant to the situation at hand.

I sort of agree with you in the sense that I would prefer to have PSN go down than lose my 360 to RROD.

 

[AlNom]

And I would prefer not to pay to get my console fixed. These are silly comparisons.