Real time Pixar graphics
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Gubbi said:
The systems were HS22MP and HS14MP SS20s using dual 125 MHz HyperSPARCs (256KB L2) and quad 100 MHz (also 256 KB L2) HyperSPARCs, respectively. These systems were shipped and supported by Sun. Eventually, both Sun and Fujitsu moved on to their own 64-bit SPARCs and the HyperSPARC fell to the wayside.
It's a stupid comparison, because it's not Apples to Apples. They have to render at insane resolutions for film standards, they don't use hacks and shortcuts, which real-time 3D graphics often do.
We already have demos that absolutely obliterate the Luxo demo, I don't know what he's talking about. Next gen consoles are going to look stunning and rival pre-rendered stuff for sure.
We already have demos that absolutely obliterate the Luxo demo, I don't know what he's talking about. Next gen consoles are going to look stunning and rival pre-rendered stuff for sure.
it's true, Luxo Jr. demo was re-created so to the human eye it looks the same. I'm sure they took alot of shortcuts so it wouldn't require near the same amount of computational resources. but then, that's what real-time rendering is all about. if the result is the same, what does it matter what math you used to get the result?
Megadrive1988
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yes agreed. PS3 will probably have a sustained / realworld rating of several hundred gflops. even if it has a peak / theoretical rating of 1 tflop.
As for Toy Story in realtime, without reduced quality. MAYBE on PS4-XBox3.
And if we are lucky, maybe 10% quality/complexity on PS3-Xbox2.
Why don't people think about the lowest end CG that there is, like CG of old television shows, commercials and videogame cut scenes. not films.
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By the way, the R300 / Radeon 9700 real-time demo of the Animusic CG is pretty amazing. it was reduced in quality of course, as every adaption of prerendered CG into realtime is, but it was damn good. the next Nintendo and next Xbox will blow R300 / Radeon 9700 out of the freaking water, And while the realtime possibility WILL be amazing on those consoles, dont expect anywhere near film quality CG. realtime graphics will still have many orders of magnitude of improvement to go, even after 2006. at least 3-4 more consoles cycles beyond the upcoming consoles.
jvd said:
Are you kidding? A demo that outdoes this? It's not exactly earth-shattering.
There you go, there's a good example. Looks awesome. Seen it?
The thing is, of course we can't do it IDENTICALLY - but we can make it so that it looks identical.
It's like having a cry because DVD isn't nearly as high quality as 35mm film - of COURSE it isn't, but it still looks great doesn't it? Still looks comparable, or even as good as at the movies right? Even though it's completely technically inferior?
Some of the stuff in Doom 3 outdoes rendered mid-to-late-90s TV programs easily.
So you have no proof that this demo was done ?mech said:jvd said:
Are you kidding? A demo that outdoes this? It's not exactly earth-shattering.
There you go, there's a good example. Looks awesome. Seen it?
The thing is, of course we can't do it IDENTICALLY - but we can make it so that it looks identical.
It's like having a cry because DVD isn't nearly as high quality as 35mm film - of COURSE it isn't, but it still looks great doesn't it? Still looks comparable, or even as good as at the movies right? Even though it's completely technically inferior?
Some of the stuff in Doom 3 outdoes rendered mid-to-late-90s TV programs easily.
Megadrive1988
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"There you go, there's a good example. Looks awesome. Seen it?"
I've seen MPEGs of both the original CG and the realtime demo running on R300. while the CG looked better, the realtime version was more than decent. it was exellent!
"The thing is, of course we can't do it IDENTICALLY - but we can make it so that it looks identical."
yes, agreed.
"It's like having a cry because DVD isn't nearly as high quality as 35mm film - of COURSE it isn't, but it still looks great doesn't it? Still looks comparable, or even as good as at the movies right? Even though it's completely technically inferior? "
Absolutely agreed. I would say that PCs and consoles of 2005-2006 will rival 5-10 year old lowend CG. perhaps if we are really lucky, consoles and PCs of 2010-2011 will rival 1990s movie CG, at least in looking comparable.
"Some of the stuff in Doom 3 outdoes rendered mid-to-late-90s TV programs easily."
Yeah pretty much. When I saw those Doom 3 clips on television last year, from E3 2002, I thought, whoa that looks like CG from old television shows.
I've seen MPEGs of both the original CG and the realtime demo running on R300. while the CG looked better, the realtime version was more than decent. it was exellent!
"The thing is, of course we can't do it IDENTICALLY - but we can make it so that it looks identical."
yes, agreed.
"It's like having a cry because DVD isn't nearly as high quality as 35mm film - of COURSE it isn't, but it still looks great doesn't it? Still looks comparable, or even as good as at the movies right? Even though it's completely technically inferior? "
Absolutely agreed. I would say that PCs and consoles of 2005-2006 will rival 5-10 year old lowend CG. perhaps if we are really lucky, consoles and PCs of 2010-2011 will rival 1990s movie CG, at least in looking comparable.
"Some of the stuff in Doom 3 outdoes rendered mid-to-late-90s TV programs easily."
Yeah pretty much. When I saw those Doom 3 clips on television last year, from E3 2002, I thought, whoa that looks like CG from old television shows.
JF_Aidan_Pryde
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pcostabel said:
Very interesting, nice post.
Megadrive1988
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I would hope for FF8 CG quality in realtime with similar quality & quantity AA / Filtering. but we'll see.
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