Read please, an interesting mail that about N5 and Hitachi

[Steve Dave Part Deux]

Nintendo sells at least 500K of nearly every title they put on the shelf. How many other publishers could make that claim? Why would NEC and Hitachi NOT want to be paired with the more profitable hardware maker. After all, they expect returns on the hardware itself (which Sony and MS are going to be hardpressed to produce for quite some time). And however much NEC invests into a potential Nintendo console will undoubtedly pale in comparison to the mountain of capital Toshiba and Sony are putting down for PS3. Believe it or not, the next Nintendo console has every oppourtunity to be a success.

 

[jvd]

Paul show me proof that no one but sony can make a 1tflop chip. Then show me a sony 1tflop chip. Till then shut up about sony only being able to do that . And yes it was an attempt to troll a troll . Figured you would be able to spot that quickly .

And WHERE did I say Sony IBM and Toshiba were the only ones capable in the Semiconductor world capable of making a 1TFLOPS class microprocessor? Oh wait, you pulled it out of thin air. Just like most things.

Get a grip, you have no argument but you love to create ones.

um do you read your posts ?

Only.. these companies couldn't produce something like this on anything other than 0.90 micron in time for a 2005 launch, or will they have 0.65 fabs avaliable for a 2005 launch window? Not to mention cost.. I don't see nintendo taking huge losses if ANY on GC2. You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew. Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle upon itself.

 

[randycat99]

This entirely depends on if you think the argument is about if other companies can come up with a 1 TFLOP CPU given the time, or come up with one in less than 2 years. I think it is pretty evident that Paul had specified a time constraint in his statement.

 

[Paul]

This entirely depends on if you think the argument is about if other companies can come up with a 1 TFLOP CPU given the time, or come up with one in less than 2 years. I think it is pretty evident that Paul had specified a time constraint in his statement.

 

[jvd]

This entirely depends on if you think the argument is about if other companies can come up with a 1 TFLOP CPU given the time, or come up with one in less than 2 years. I think it is pretty evident that Paul had specified a time constraint in his statement.

And yet he hints and pushes and suggests that only sony and the cell crew will have tech like that . Because of the money and talent they put forth. Yet he has no proof that this is the case . Nor does he have proof that sony has a 1 tflop chip. So he should not bring up sony having a 1tflop chip let alone others not being able to make one. Because frankly he knows nothing about what other companys have not announced yet. And he only has half a clue of what sony has based on a patent and vague announcments from sony. Yet there is no offical spec from them. So till then he really shouldn't make comments like this .

 

[Paul]

And yet he hints and pushes and suggests that only sony and the cell crew will have tech like that

Your so full of it, you really can't read sometimes. I said that NITENDO DOESNT HAVE tech to do this, not anyone else. We ARE talking about and infact my stuff you quoted was about NINTENDO NOONE ELSE.

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless Nintendo were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew.

But lookie here; Nintendo has shoved no money at such a chip, you don't just move around billions of dollars into secret projects without anyone knowing.

There have been no massive cash movements by Nintendo to create a TFLOPS class chip, none by NEC or Hitachi. Not to mention they don't have the lithography(or the plans) aka 0.65 micron(by 2005) to even have a chance to make this work out.


THIS was the argument on hand.

Paul wrote:
Quote:
So MAYBE NEC, Cray, Hitachi are working on a TeraFlops class CPU for Nintendo that will rival or surpass the IBM-Sony-Toshiba Cell for PS3.


Only.. these companies couldn't produce something like this on anything other than 0.90 micron in time for a 2005 launch, or will they have 0.65 fabs avaliable for a 2005 launch window? Not to mention cost.. I don't see nintendo taking huge losses if ANY on GC2. You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew. Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle upon itself.

And you come in here saying that I said that noon else can make a 1TFLOPS microprocessor? Get a grip and get some glasses. In two years NEC and hitatchi cannot create a 1TFLOPS class chip, I even SAY unless they were working on it for years. I clearly say that it won't happen in 2 years.

 

[Paul]

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew. Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle upon itself.

God damn.. from this you say I said Sony has a 1TFLOPS microprocessor on it's hands and that noone else can build one?

I even say that Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle, LET ALONE 2 companies coming up with the same in 2 years time for Gamecube 2.

 

[jvd]

And yet he hints and pushes and suggests that only sony and the cell crew will have tech like that

Your so full of it, you really can't read sometimes. I said that NITENDO DOESNT HAVE tech to do this, not anyone else. We ARE talking about and infact my stuff you quoted was about NINTENDO NOONE ELSE.

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless Nintendo were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew.

But lookie here; Nintendo has shoved no money at such a chip, you don't just move around billions of dollars into secret projects without anyone knowing.

There have been no massive cash movements by Nintendo to create a TFLOPS class chip, none by NEC or Hitachi. Not to mention they don't have the lithography(or the plans) aka 0.65 micron(by 2005) to even have a chance to make this work out.


THIS was the argument on hand.

Paul wrote:
Quote:
So MAYBE NEC, Cray, Hitachi are working on a TeraFlops class CPU for Nintendo that will rival or surpass the IBM-Sony-Toshiba Cell for PS3.


Only.. these companies couldn't produce something like this on anything other than 0.90 micron in time for a 2005 launch, or will they have 0.65 fabs avaliable for a 2005 launch window? Not to mention cost.. I don't see nintendo taking huge losses if ANY on GC2. You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew. Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle upon itself.

And you come in here saying that I said that noon else can make a 1TFLOPS microprocessor? Get a grip and get some glasses. In two years NEC and hitatchi cannot create a 1TFLOPS class chip, I even SAY unless they were working on it for years. I clearly say that it won't happen in 2 years.

Your full of it , when has nintendo ever made a chip for thier console . They liscense it or buy it from a company that has made them. So in fact nintendo can have access to a cell class chip. Sony is not the only one that can do this . And there doesn't need to be movement of billions of dollars. When do u see a movement of billions of dollars from intel to make the newest chip? You don't because its already figured into r&d . Same goes with nec , ibm and other companys . Not only that but other companys might not need .65 to make a cell class chip . Just because sony , toshiba and ibm need it . Doesn't mean another company will .

As i said you have no proof. Just wishes and hopes. And you still have yet to show me a 1tflop cell chip. So till then sony , toshiba and ibm are in the same boat as the other companys .

 

[jvd]

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew. Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle upon itself.

God damn.. from this you say I said Sony has a 1TFLOPS microprocessor on it's hands and that noone else can build one?

I even say that Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle, LET ALONE 2 companies coming up with the same in 2 years time for Gamecube 2.

Actually the bold was just there because i felt that was your final push to say only sony was capable.

 

[Paul]

They liscense it or buy it from a company that has made them. So in fact nintendo can have access to a cell class chip.

And NEC can do this in 2 years? Can't buy a chip if it's not there.
This is what I'm talking about, If nec and another company just started yesterday on making a chip that could beat a 1TFLOPS chip(This is what they have to assume Sony will have) in two years.

Hence this point.

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it

Why are you even arguing? You must not have even read my main reply closely enough.

As i said you have no proof. Just wishes and hopes. And you still have yet to show me a 1tflop cell chip. So till then sony , toshiba and ibm are in the same boat as the other companys .

And when did I say Sony HAD ONE? I said they have injected billions over 4 years into creating one(They are), and if you think that NEC can try to do the same thing in 2 years your insane.[/quote]

 

[jvd]

They liscense it or buy it from a company that has made them. So in fact nintendo can have access to a cell class chip.

And NEC can do this in 2 years? Can't buy a chip if it's not there.
This is what I'm talking about, If nec and another company just started yesterday on making a chip that could beat a 1TFLOPS chip(This is what they have to assume Sony will have) in two years.

Hence this point.

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it

Why are you even arguing? You must not have even read my main reply closely enough.

As i said you have no proof. Just wishes and hopes. And you still have yet to show me a 1tflop cell chip. So till then sony , toshiba and ibm are in the same boat as the other companys .

And when did I say Sony HAD ONE? I said they have injected billions over 4 years into creating one(They are), and if you think that NEC can try to do the same thing in 2 years your insane.

[/quote]


And once again paul. How do you know what nec is working on or any other company for that matter. Not all companys release roadmaps like intel does. Not all companys need the hype like sony does. So tell me. How do you know nec only has 2 years to make a chip. How do you know they haven't been working on it for 2 or 3 years already. Tell me ? Oh whats that you don't ? Good then shut up or post proof that no other company is working on a cell class chip. You need to stop being the 24/7 i love sony channel. Its getting very old very fast

 

[Paul]

How do you know they haven't been working on it for 2 or 3 years already. Tell me ? Oh whats that you don't ? Good then shut up or post proof that no other company is working on a cell class chip. You need to stop being the 24/7 i love sony channel. Its getting very old very fast

Like I said; you don't read.

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it

We are talking about NEC not "no other company" here stop trying to sway the argument. I need to stop being the i love sony channel? You need to stop being so damn involved in things you can't handle and be a transparent moderator like Sonic.

Speachless? You should be. You have no real argument, never had one.

How do you know nec only has 2 years to make a chip.

THIS IS WHAT MY WHOLE DAMN POST WAS ABOUT. IF nec started YESTERDAY on a 1TFLOPS class microprocessor. They would ONLY HAVE two years to make a 2005 launch for GAMECUBE 2.

Your problem is that you just don't read and you just react.

 

[jvd]

How do you know they haven't been working on it for 2 or 3 years already. Tell me ? Oh whats that you don't ? Good then shut up or post proof that no other company is working on a cell class chip. You need to stop being the 24/7 i love sony channel. Its getting very old very fast

Like I said; you don't read.

You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it

We are talking about NEC not "no other company" here stop trying to sway the argument. I need to stop being the i love sony channel? You need to stop being so damn involved in things you can't handle and be a transparent moderator like Sonic.

Speachless? You should be. You have no real argument, never had one.

How do you know nec only has 2 years to make a chip.

THIS IS WHAT MY WHOLE DAMN POST WAS ABOUT. IF nec started YESTERDAY on a 1TFLOPS class microprocessor. They would ONLY HAVE two years to make a 2005 launch for GAMECUBE 2.

Your problem is that you just don't read and you just react.

FIrst off don't tell me how to be a mod. There is no rule telling saying a mod can't discuss anything on the forums. If you actually look at other sections of the forum you will see the mods in conversations. Also Your point is flawed. Your point is only if they haven't started on the chip design. Yet again you just say that. And I say they could have had one in design for a long time . I say any company because there is no offical statment that nintendo is using an nec chip. So they can get a chip from anyone . I think you need to stop being so damn protective of sony. If someone says one thing you don't like you jump into the post and start saying well its sony so of course they can do it they will not fail.

 

[jvd]

Quote:
So MAYBE NEC, Cray, Hitachi are working on a TeraFlops class CPU for Nintendo that will rival or surpass the IBM-Sony-Toshiba Cell for PS3.


Only.. these companies couldn't produce something like this on anything other than 0.90 micron in time for a 2005 launch, or will they have 0.65 fabs avaliable for a 2005 launch window? Not to mention cost.. I don't see nintendo taking huge losses if ANY on GC2. You can't just create a Teraflops class CPU in thin air, unless they were working on it for 3-4 years and dumped billions into it like the Cell crew. Cell having 1TFLOPS performance will be a miracle upon itself.

I thought i would put in the whole quote and what you were quoting . Original post said nec , cray , hitachi. So right there we are not just talking about nec. So why say only nec in your last post ? Why do you allways have to back petal or change things ? Why must in every post that shows another company other than sony in a good light you come in and trash it or sing the praises of sony. Yet when someone comes into a sony thread and shines the light on the other companys you call them a troll and ask for thier banding paul ? Why is it that when i try to argue against you instead of argueing back you need to call me a bad mod or compare me to sonic and tell me i shouldn't have my own views and opinons . Why ? Is it that you don't like me . Is it because I'm right and your wrong. Or is it because it might make your precious sony look bad ?

 

[Paul]

Your point is only if they haven't started on the chip design.

Which is what the argument was since the begining? You were the one who tried to turn it around and make me look like the enemy, Randy even noticed. You barely read what I wrote and went on another one of your crusades.

I EVEN SAID "unless they started 3-4 years ago" So WTF are you doing in here? Where is your argument.

Paul: "NEC won't have a 1TFLOPS chip in two years if they start now"

Jvd: "How do you know, they could have started 5 years ago man. Sony isn't the only one who can make a 1tflops chip u sony protectar"

You see, it makes NO sense. I said if they start now and they have two years.. you go on and say they could have started 4 years ago? That was not what I was saying. That was what NOONE was arguing.

. I say any company because there is no offical statment that nintendo is using an nec chip.

We are talking about NEC here dude. And that other company which I have forgotten the name of.

I think you need to stop being so damn protective of sony.

Oh? I made a point, you went on the rampage. Maybe you need to stop criticizing everything Sony does.

 

[PC-Engine]

If anyone thinks NEC or Hitachi or CRAY hasn't been doing R&D on single chip parallel processors for their next generation of super computers they're just being naive. That cost of that R&D is ongoing.
If Nintendo offered the right price, it will be built since the R&D is ongoing. There's no startng from scratch

Right now CELL doing 1 TFLOPS is a wish nothing more.

 

[Paul]

Think NEC could whip one up in two years if they started today for Gamecube 2?

 

[PC-Engine]

Think NEC could whip one up in two years if they started today for Gamecube 2?

NEC already had a proof of concept parallel processor design completed last year. It had the equivalent computing power of 4 3GHz P4s and ran at only 100MHz and extremely low power fabbed in 0.18u.


Think CELL will be capable of 1 TFLOPS in 2 years?

 

[Paul]

Think CELL will be capable of 1 TFLOPS in 2 years?

It has more of a chance than anything else, it's been in development since 2000-2001 and billions have been thrown at it. Gonna be a miracle if it hits 1TFLOPS peak performance though, I have never denied this.

We'll know come around march 2004 for sure though.

 

[jvd]

Think CELL will be capable of 1 TFLOPS in 2 years?

It has more of a chance than anything else, it's been in development since 2000-2001 and billions have been thrown at it. Gonna be a miracle if it hits 1TFLOPS peak performance though, I have never denied this.

We'll know come around march 2004 for sure though.

How can you say that when there is no hardware back from the fabs yet. Its still in patent form . Where as

NEC already had a proof of concept parallel processor design completed last year. It had the equivalent computing power of 4 3GHz P4s and ran at only 100MHz and extremely low power fabbed in 0.18u.

Is already showing some proof of concept. the equivalent of 4 3ghz p4s . The chip was running at 100mhz on .18u . This was done a year ago before 3ghz p4s were around and on less advance microns . .18-.13 . Not only that but much less than the .65 cell is going to use .

So really its this chip that has the most chance. Not only that but it didn't take millions to make .