R420 Hints from people under NDA!
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Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Re: No indications of valid info on Rage3d
You can get the same visuals with all the settings cranked up. Obviously a NV40 is going to give you more frames, (especially on a tiny custom level with nothing else going on verses the full game), but PS 3.0 really doesn't look that different from PS 2.0.
Sxotty said:
You can get the same visuals with all the settings cranked up. Obviously a NV40 is going to give you more frames, (especially on a tiny custom level with nothing else going on verses the full game), but PS 3.0 really doesn't look that different from PS 2.0.
What i find very funny is that while no cards based on NV40 are available yet (not even for pre-order), and are not expected to be for at least 40 days (and most ppl say more than that) certain moderators come out saying "don't buy any 6800s yet cause R420 is gonna rock" :?
Now let's for a moment here disregard the fact that noone can buy any 6800s yet - no matter what, even if one could, do you guys actually think that the majority of people who hang around gfx card forums would rush out and buy the card before seeing what the competitor's (who happens to enjoy a big performance gap for the last two years) product can do ? and even moreso when it will probably be available before the 6800s ?
IMHO some ppl are either demonstrating their fa*nbo*ism (TM by DC) or are getting a bit desperate...
EDIT: At this point i would like to congratulate DB and the rest of B3D staff for doing such a great job and demonstrating such objectivity 8)
Now let's for a moment here disregard the fact that noone can buy any 6800s yet - no matter what, even if one could, do you guys actually think that the majority of people who hang around gfx card forums would rush out and buy the card before seeing what the competitor's (who happens to enjoy a big performance gap for the last two years) product can do ? and even moreso when it will probably be available before the 6800s ?
IMHO some ppl are either demonstrating their fa*nbo*ism (TM by DC) or are getting a bit desperate...
EDIT: At this point i would like to congratulate DB and the rest of B3D staff for doing such a great job and demonstrating such objectivity 8)
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Re: No indications of valid info on Rage3d
UE3 is going to be a quantum jump. It's not like HL2 with a path designed to run on older hardware. It's going to be a complete break which will simply not work on anything older than NV40/R420, and even then only at it's lowest settings.
Bjorn said:
UE3 is going to be a quantum jump. It's not like HL2 with a path designed to run on older hardware. It's going to be a complete break which will simply not work on anything older than NV40/R420, and even then only at it's lowest settings.
DoS said:What i find very funny is that while no cards based on NV40 are available yet (not even for pre-order), and are not expected to be for at least 40 days (and most ppl say more than that) certain moderators come out saying "don't buy any 6800s yet cause R420 is gonna rock" :?
Now let's for a moment here disregard the fact that noone can buy any 6800s yet - no matter what, even if one could, do you guys actually think that the majority of people who hang around gfx card forums would rush out and buy the card before seeing what the competitor's (who happens to enjoy a big performance gap for the last two years) product can do ? and even moreso when it will probably be available before the 6800s ?
IMHO some ppl are either demonstrating their fa*nbo*ism (TM by DC) or are getting a bit desperate...
EDIT: At this point i would like to congratulate DB and the rest of B3D staff for doing such a great job and demonstrating such objectivity 8)
Was there anything different in the past? I have severe doubts that the picture would be any different if ATI would have announced first.
Do not tell me that f**boyz are rarer or less vocal on the other side of the camp, or that they do have less of an agenda in the end.
NVIDIA has the nasty tendency to usually try with any possible way to take the wind out of the sails when the competition releases just about anything; and that coming from the company itself. In this particular case I haven't seen so far anything that could direct in that direction from ATI officially, or I've missed something after all.
Kombatant
Regular
DoS said:What i find very funny is that while no cards based on NV40 are available yet (not even for pre-order), and are not expected to be for at least 40 days (and most ppl say more than that) certain moderators come out saying "don't buy any 6800s yet cause R420 is gonna rock" :?
Now let's for a moment here disregard the fact that noone can buy any 6800s yet - no matter what, even if one could, do you guys actually think that the majority of people who hang around gfx card forums would rush out and buy the card before seeing what the competitor's (who happens to enjoy a big performance gap for the last two years) product can do ? and even moreso when it will probably be available before the 6800s ?
IMHO some ppl are either demonstrating their fa*nbo*ism (TM by DC) or are getting a bit desperate...
EDIT: At this point i would like to congratulate DB and the rest of B3D staff for doing such a great job and demonstrating such objectivity 8)
It's not a matter of fanboyism, believe it or not. What I consider as such behaviour is this: "OMG NV40 is out, it pwnz teh universe, i'm so gonna buy it, I want to have its babies" yada yada. Noone said don't buy an nVidia card. Everyone is 100% free to do whatever he wants with his money. What I am saying is this: it would be a sounder decision to hold on and see what the other side is offering. As I already said, the 6800 is an impressive piece of hardware. But it is not going up against the 9800XT. I don't call that fanboyism, I call it common sense.
edit: I never realised that the word that begins with "fan" and ends in "boy" is forbidden around here, heh... cool
Umm... I wonder why anybody even bothers thinking about UE3 and cards will perform on it.
2005-2006 is a very, very optimistic - might as well say unreal - forecast.
Have we learned nothing from the repeated slips of D3 and HL2 (don't come with the leak excuse, please) ? D3 is also a fitting example as it was first demoed in 2001 with the NV20 in a state similar to that of the UE3 now ( some models, a wee bit of geometry, a few basic engine capabilities ) - and it took 3+ years to finish it. So even if the engine was ready by 2005, content creation for games is so slow these days, I'd be extremely surprised if we'd see anything of UE3-based games before 2007. Uh-uh.
( You're free to quote me if I'm still alive by then. )
2005-2006 is a very, very optimistic - might as well say unreal - forecast.
Have we learned nothing from the repeated slips of D3 and HL2 (don't come with the leak excuse, please) ? D3 is also a fitting example as it was first demoed in 2001 with the NV20 in a state similar to that of the UE3 now ( some models, a wee bit of geometry, a few basic engine capabilities ) - and it took 3+ years to finish it. So even if the engine was ready by 2005, content creation for games is so slow these days, I'd be extremely surprised if we'd see anything of UE3-based games before 2007. Uh-uh.
( You're free to quote me if I'm still alive by then. )
highpingdrifter
Newcomer
Kombatant said:It's not a matter of fanboyism, believe it or not. What I consider as such behaviour is this: "OMG NV40 is out, it pwnz teh universe, i'm so gonna buy it, I want to have its babies" yada yada. Noone said don't buy an nVidia card. Everyone is 100% free to do whatever he wants with his money. What I am saying is this: it would be a sounder decision to hold on and see what the other side is offering. As I already said, the 6800 is an impressive piece of hardware. But it is not going up against the 9800XT. I don't call that fanboyism, I call it common sense.
edit: I never realised that the word that begins with "fan" and ends in "boy" is forbidden around here, heh... cool
I have yet to see any posts around here along the lines of "OMG NV40 is out, it pwnz teh universe, i'm so gonna buy it, I want to have its babies". What's going on in other forums i can't tell since i only visit them for driver feedback and or bios tricks/updates. However IMHO posts like that fall into the same category with the post(s) which i originally replied too i.e. they don't make much sense.
Oh, they ain't that bad! Look at it this way, if it wasn't for nVnews and R3D all those people might be here!Miksu said:
Hi Komb, nice to see ya. Thanks for the hints 'bout the R420, I'd push you for more but I've got this silly-arsed confidence going down after a few hints from some friends last week and I've decided to try my damndest to sit out to fanboy stuff this time. (BTW-Once you become a senior member here you can use the word "fanboy" without the word filter screening it. (On another fun word filter note, EB filters out "leet speak" since one of the admins hates it.
)I'm really looking forward to this match up, and I still think ATi is going to retain their title....I just feel it's a bit silly to get all worked up about it when we still got a month and a half AT LEAST until nVidia gets their cards out and ATi's won't be available for a few more weeks yet. ("He who premieres last launches first!"
)I'm saving any fighting until I see what I'm fighting for I guess, until then it's just all good fun to me. 8)
What's this has to do with anything ? We are talking about a specific incident here, what's happened in other forums in the past and/or what would have happened if ATi had launched first is irrelevant. In that way we will never be able to have a proper discussion ffsAiluros said:
Who said that, i just made some very logical observations having in mind the context and quality of this site and forum. You seem awfully hasty to justify misconducts by resorting to "the other side is doing the same/worse things" type of excuses. I personally find this degrading and inappropriate.Ailuros said:
Who's said anything about ATi officially ? Are you trying to put words into my mouth ?Ailuros said:
Lets try to talk like adults. you ll have to do better than misintepreting one's words and taking the conversation out of context...
Jeez, Dos, you've been here a few months, have 70 posts, and want to put the smack on a longtime member like Ailuros? Do you understand the term "chuzpah"? Having spend a few years and plenty of product cycle here, we have seen this kind of thing at every new introduction...... It's not going to stop, and denying it's happening is a waste of bandwidth. And if you haven't seen the fanboys BS crap around here, then you are either not checking out other threads or you are blind......
It has; history is simply repeating itself. Nothing that I wouldn't have expected whatever the storyline would have looked like.
If you mean to tell me that there aren't any users on these boards with any type of agenda, then I guess yes my comment was inappropriate.
No it was a simple and very generic observation.
I neither misinterpreted anything you said nor did I even attempt to put anything in your mouth.
For the record you didn't say anything either about NVIDIA's official reactions either.
However if there should be something in that observation that is exaggerated or wrong, you could address it as an adult as you say. Shouldn't be too hard either.
Doomtrooper
Veteran
Yes a growing trend around here, Ailuros being the more respected knowledgable being slammed by another few posts wonders, the same kid that is telling everyone a 5950 is just as good as 9800XT in PS 2.0.
Every launch is the same.
Every launch is the same.
