Quitting smoking

[MfA]

Banning them makes no sense without banning cigarettes. Just regulate their sale and marketing exactly as if they were cigarettes.

 

[Blazkowicz]

E-cig smoke just doesn't stick around like tobacco smoke or wood fire smoke does, it quickly evaporates up in the air. It's not unlike water vapor you exhale, visible in the winter.

What sucks is all the fruity and sugary flavours, and teenage kids do try the e-cigs with or without even having smoking a real cig yet, but just trying it out is relatively harmless. Kids try snorting glue and whatever too.
Pour some of this shit into a plastic bag and ihnale it, then you get a bit high and warm but it causes brain damage

In fact, nicotine has an "educative" value in teaching you what a highly addictive substance is. With experience of what an actual drug is, I took the lesson and have had the achievement of not becoming a heroin junkie .

 

[homerdog]

Banning them makes no sense without banning cigarettes. Just regulate their sale and marketing exactly as if they were cigarettes.

Right on.

 

[Grall]

What kind of crap is that? Just because we have one easily travelled road to life-long addiction (tobacco) doesn't mean we should add more to what we already got.

We have big factories and powerplants and whatnot that pollute our air, so I can burn a pile of car tires in my back yard whenever I feel like, right?

 

[homerdog]

Should probably wait for some studies to come out (typical usage model for e-cigarettes/vaporizers, health impacts etc.) before making any decisions. I'd guess most e-cig users are former cigarette users, which is fine by me. It does improve quality of life for those coming from nasty cigarettes.

Also it's a free country and all. We're not talking about legalizing heroin for god's sake.

 

[Grall]

I'd guess most e-cig users are former cigarette users, which is fine by me. It does improve quality of life for those coming from nasty cigarettes.

That's one market, and it's relatively legit (as long as smokers smoke their e-cig shit away from me), but the biggest, most exploitable market here is young, non-smoking people, ages kids and up, enticed by strawberry, bubblegum, liquorice etc flavored smoking oils and hooked with strongly addictive nicotine.

Also it's a free country and all.

Young people don't make reasoned, conscious decisions about these things. If they did, the hugely vast majorty of people would never start smoking anything. We know this, from common sense, own experiences and tons of research on the subject. Instead it's peer pressure, marketing, culture glorification, expectations and such factors that decide their actions.

We're not talking about legalizing heroin for god's sake.

Nicotine is actually more addictive than most "hard drugs", so again... Just because we've had this thing for a long time doesn't mean we should have even more of it.

 

[homerdog]

Young people don't make reasoned, conscious decisions about these things. If they did, the hugely vast majorty of people would never start smoking anything. We know this, from common sense, own experiences and tons of research on the subject. Instead it's peer pressure, marketing, culture glorification, expectations and such factors that decide their actions.

Young people can't buy them. I still get carded every time and I'm 26! (though I do look about 16)

Nicotine is actually more addictive than most "hard drugs", so again... Just because we've had this thing for a long time doesn't mean we should have even more of it.

Nicotine is not as addictive as heroin, nor as damaging to society. Trust a former opiate addict

 

[zed]

Nicotine is not as addictive as heroin, nor as damaging to society. Trust a former opiate addict

I agree with 'not as addictive as heroin' I guess thats made up my ppl trying to quit to make themselves feel better, 'I cant its harder than quiting heroin'
though OTOH society smoking has a much larger impact due to it (becoming less so) ubiquitous (*). Alcohol trumps both easily in damage to western society.

(*)then again theyve done a study here in nz, saying its beneficial for ppl to smoke for the economy

 

[Babel-17]

Afaik from my several 12 stepping friends and elsewhere, it's almost conventional wisdom at 12 step programs like AA and NA that pointing out that cig's are harmful/addictive drugs and should be barred* is pretty much a non-starter. (Coffee gets mentioned at times as well, but it's considered far less dangerous)

Maybe the younger generations, having been brought up without the brainwashing, will find it easier to quit if they become addicted. There's brainwashing that goes with drug use but it's mostly conferred by one's fellow addicts.

Ha, us older types were hit by the idea that cig's were practically a performance drug. And of course one couldn't savor an existential moment without one.

The younger generations weren't really bombarded with that.

Edit: * That was sloppy writing. I said "barred" but the point isn't whether smoking is allowed in the room. The point was that some think that those who are on the twelve steps should be told that they need to stop smoking.

 

[Mize]

Actually heroin is far more physically addictive, but cigs are considered more psychologically addictive owing to all the behavior, ceremony, etc. around their use. It's generally considered easier to quite heroin than smoking (easier meaning lower relapse likelihood, not that it's easier on the withdrawal side).

 

[Babel-17]

Actually heroin is far more physically addictive, but cigs are considered more psychologically addictive owing to all the behavior, ceremony, etc. around their use. It's generally considered easier to quite heroin than smoking (easier meaning lower relapse likelihood, not that it's easier on the withdrawal side).

Yup, when you stop doing heroin it hopefully isn't likely that you had pals at work who go outside for heroin breaks. And so on, like at parties, etc. And I imagine most heroin users don't take a shot for every little part of their life*. Coffee in the morning, starting the car up, leaving the office, before/after being on a train, talking at the diner, and so on.

*I read Heroin by Burroughs so now that I think about it that can be a similar sort of thing for hardcore, long term, users. It's just not as frequent. Even Burroughs wasn't doing dozens of shots a day.

 

[Nibbio]

Smoking, just like any other addiction, gives one the belief that if they don't give in to the temptation, they'll just burst out due to the pressure. But this is all imaginary. There's a study that shows something very interesting. I had my share of addiction in the past and hope i never succumb again, G-d forbid. Speaking from experience, this method really works. So the thing is that the brain has created the addictive patterns and the more you give in the harder it is to quit. But if you decide to abstain from smoking for 90 days you'll see that these addictive patterns are not that strong anymore. because the brain has created new patterns that replace the old ones. The principle here is "the less you feed it, the less you need it". And G-d willing you'll be out of this vicious circle!

 

[Mize]

So quitting for 90 days makes it easier to quit?

 

[benroveno]

I don't understand why people start smoking in the first place when they know that in the future, they will eventually stop doing it. *baffled* But anyway, farmers in my country has this heavy cigarette, probably way much heavier than the ones sold for customers. But weirdly, they still live healthy until now. I mean, they are really really old and they are still smoking. That's just weird.

 

[Blazkowicz]

So quitting for 90 days makes it easier to quit?

Ridiculous but about reasonable.

It's a bit easier with alcohol, after about three days it's much easier to not drink, maybe a week rather.. The urge, or rage or withdrawal whatever gets down significantly which can be surprising.
But fuck I want to drink anyway, studying options. I want rosé wine, and then wanna find some red wine at 1.5 euros per liter.. I have some at walking distance but would like a slightly different one.

 

[Grall]

One word, Blaz... Liver cirrhosis.

It's a bitch, and it'll kill you. Unpleasantly.

And yes, that was two words, I know. Sorry.

 

[Blazkowicz]

I drank tea instead, I want to suggest it as I believe it has some anti-addictive properties, at least for me.
It's amazingly cheap too, especially in bulk rather than in individual doses, will last me for years.

Drinking sugar (soda, pop etc.) would be another pitfall. It destroys the liver too in extreme cases.
I know I will drink again regardless of what I wrote above.

now I guess I have more than one silly habit.

 

[rcf]

People should try Ibogaine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine

 

[Davros]

except ibogaine is scary stuff

 

[Babel-17]

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1827533&postcount=72

Huh, it's now three years free from smoking!