PSM suggests the killzone demo was real

[Qroach]

What I´m saying is that you saying "kutaragi´s gay stud in our last homo swinger´s party lover told me it isn´t real!" is not proof of it not being real.

What a load of crap. seriously. If you knew who I heard it from you'd just shut up about this nonsense. just PM me.

The fact that you´re a huge MS fan doesn´t help matters either.

No I'm not a HUGE MS fan. I'm an xbox fan, sure. If arguing with people that dont' have their facts straight on a message board makes me a huge fan, then whatever. However I own all the consoles available today, and a whole wack of games. yes the xbox was my favourite system this gen, so what? Hmm so is the fact you're a huge PS2 fan mean anything? of course not. Why would you think I'd lie about somehting like this? What purpose would that have? you know, it's fu*king annoying when people like yourself imply things like that.

Oh I can't listen to what quincy says because he happens to like a different console then myself. Despite the fact the answer is still correct. Am I right all the time? no. But do I ever lie or make things up? NO. It's fine to have an opinion on something, but when I know the answer and tell someone, yet they choose not to believe because I'm an xbox fan? it's more than irratating and completly illogical.

So what does that have to do with being able to tell pre rendered video footage from something that was realtime? let me answer that, "nothing". if you want proof, again I expect you to ignor the obvious. Sony never said that demo was realtime or even made on a PS3. period.

 

[Ragemare]

I think the evidence for the KZ2 footage being created in a purely offline renderer is that it shits all over every other game thus far demonstrated. It's worlds apart from either COD2 or any UE3 game. You don't even have to get technical about it, it just looks too good to be true.

The RSX and CELL don't have magic powers.

 

[BlueTsunami]

What I´m saying is that you saying "kutaragi´s gay stud in our last homo swinger´s party lover told me it isn´t real!" is not proof of it not being real.

What a load of crap. seriously. If you knew who I heard it from you'd just shut up about this nonsense. just PM me.

The fact that you´re a huge MS fan doesn´t help matters either.

No I'm not a HUGE MS fan. I'm an xbox fan, sure. If arguing with people that dont' have their facts straight on a message board makes me a huge fan, then whatever. However I own all the consoles available today, and a whole wack of games. yes the xbox was my favourite system this gen, so what? Hmm so is the fact you're a huge PS2 fan mean anything? of course not. Why would you think I'd lie about somehting like this? What purpose would that have? you know, it's fu*king annoying when people like yourself imply things like that.

Oh I can't listen to what quincy says because he happens to like a different console then myself. Despite the fact the answer is still correct. Am I right all the time? no. But do I ever lie or make things up? NO. It's fine to have an opinion on something, but when I know the answer and tell someone, yet they choose not to believe because I'm an xbox fan? it's more than irratating and completly illogical.

So what does that have to do with being able to tell pre rendered video footage from something that was realtime? let me answer that, "nothing". if you want proof, again I expect you to ignor the obvious. Sony never said that demo was realtime or even made on a PS3. period.

This whole Killzone thing should be squashed (shoulda been squashed a long time ago) but honestly the Killzone video shouldn't even been brought up until we see a Developer or any person hold a controller in their hand and manipulate the person onscreen....until then take the Killzone video for what it was and move on...and honestly...do you think that game can be fully created and played at a managable framerate off of SLI'ed 6800's? NO.....the RSX may shed more light..but until then where all in total darkness with this whole thing...

I think the evidence for the KZ2 footage being created in a purely offline renderer is that it shits all over every other game thus far demonstrated. It's worlds apart from either COD2 or any UE3 game. You don't even have to get technical about it, it just looks too good to be true.

The RSX and CELL don't have magic powers.

But together they can FLY!!!!

>.>

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

Hopefully TGS brings solid info

Are you the same cobragt from the GS SW forums. If so, then we know you're looking for fanboy fodder.

"OMG! KZ was teh real-time, TLHBO!!!!!!!"

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

Man, this killzone love/hate is out of hand.

I'm gonna set the record straight. The Killzone2 video was a prerendered movie. Makes no difference whether it was rendered on a SGI Onyx, a Amiga 500, a ps3 dev kit or my grandmothers E-Machine.

The final game code could be that good though. BUT, from the hyped up screens and videos we have been getting in the past 2-3 years I kinda doubt it.

PSM has about as much credibility as a Mario review in Nintendo Power. Same with OXM. I'm still waiting for the ps2 to redefine AI by synthesizing real human emotions as promised by PSM in 1999.

The debate stems from a sum of things, one key thing being that GG isn't a AAA caliber developer. They are the definition of mediocrity. Every single game they released has been unadulterated crap. If this was Blinx the Time Sweeper 3 or Kakuto Chojin 360, Microsoft would have been laughed off of the stage for trying to pass off CG of mediocre games as real-time. But Sony gets a fat ass golden pass. If this was a video from Kojima or another respected developer, there would be no debate. But the existence of this thread is a testament to Sony's massive blinding mindshare. It's fucking rediculous.

Whether or not Killzone is real-time or not is irrelevant. It's based on a crappy game from a crappy developer. There should be no debate. But since it's from the demi Gods at Sony, every word from their mouth is truth sweeter than honey.

 

[Atsim]

I highly doubt it's real because you never see the same animation twice. That's not a game, that's concept art.

also: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615531p1.html

Doesn't quite confirm it, but does show some more evidence, such as this:

in addition to the Sony demos being shown by Phil Harrison, the Epic and EA presentations were the only third party portions actually running on the PS3 in real-time.

Phil Harrison's demos, was that the ducks and such? Wasn't too impresive, but either way... was one of those demos the Killzone 2 presentation?

Also, Killzone 2 is made by Guerilla Games, but published by Sony. Does that make them first party or third party?

Either way, when I first saw it the first thing that came to mind was CG. Then I heard people saying it was real. I put it back in and now I almost certain it's CG. This is Sony we're talking about. They've done it before.

Edit: as the guy above is saying, who cares. Killzone 1 sucked, and so did their other game Shellshock nam something? Just because it's a new console doesn't mean they suddenly have talent.

 

[two]

Also, Killzone 2 is made by Guerilla Games, but published by Sony. Does that make them first party or third party?

2nd party.

 

[EpicZero]

Whether or not Killzone is real-time or not is irrelevant. It's based on a crappy game from a crappy developer. There should be no debate. But since it's from the demi Gods at Sony, every word from their mouth is truth sweeter than honey.

It's a sequel to a decent FPS on the PS2, that showed a lot of potential. Killzone is not the bad game that many make it seem to be. It's not the greatest, or even one of the greatest, but it is a decent game, especially considering the console it is on.

 

[randycat99]

If I'm thinking of the right Vietnam game, I'd say I had a decent experience in Shellshock, as well. Perhaps, graphically it wasn't exactly at the top of the pile, but the experience certainly had its moments. (Was it this game that you could earn credits to visit the, ahem, local brothel?)

 

[Almasy]

What a load of crap. seriously. If you knew who I heard it from you'd just shut up about this nonsense. just PM me.

Oh, come on, what a load of BS. If you are so sure of your information, have the balls to post who told you.

As far as I´m concerned, your "look at me!!!! I´m the insider!!! Look at my info!!!" act is childish, lame, and no different from any other of the countless industry insiders populating the web.

No I'm not a HUGE MS fan. I'm an xbox fan, sure. If arguing with people that dont' have their facts straight on a message board makes me a huge fan, then whatever. However I own all the consoles available today, and a whole wack of games. yes the xbox was my favourite system this gen, so what? Hmm so is the fact you're a huge PS2 fan mean anything? of course not. Why would you think I'd lie about somehting like this? What purpose would that have? you know, it's fu*king annoying when people like yourself imply things like that.

Oh I can't listen to what quincy says because he happens to like a different console then myself. Despite the fact the answer is still correct. Am I right all the time? no. But do I ever lie or make things up? NO. It's fine to have an opinion on something, but when I know the answer and tell someone, yet they choose not to believe because I'm an xbox fan? it's more than irratating and completly illogical.

So what does that have to do with being able to tell pre rendered video footage from something that was realtime? let me answer that, "nothing". if you want proof, again I expect you to ignor the obvious. Sony never said that demo was realtime or even made on a PS3. period.

You´re a big MS f@nboy, it´s pretty stupid to try to deny it. That´s how you have always approached things and that´s how you have shaped everything you say.

I don´t trust you because your reasoning has always been warped, simple as that. Having all consoles has never been an indication of anything, so I´m wondering what you´re trying to establish by mentioning it.

When have you been right anyway? AFAIK, you have never posted anything worthwhile that came from your "insider" vault that has been correct, so don´t go around yelling at everyone that the Killzone video is a farse and that it must be accepted as truth because "you have your sources".

You don´t know a thing, so please shut up with all of these "super insider rumors" and asking people to believe it as if it were a fact, ok? There´s not a single thing that separates you from a PSM rumor, nothing, so shut up.

 

[jcha7580]

it's pretty simple. it's a matter of what Sony WON'T say.

They won't say it was in game footage.

period. That settles it. If it was they would say so, dodging the question is the same thing as saying no when you deal with a company as boastful as Sony.

it's not in-game, not made from the game engine, so it's a meaningless movie. basically, it's concept art.

A reason for them doing this could be for marketing purposes. It is quite evident that people are still discussing it and it's a hot topic.

I'm not saying that killzone was not CGI but marketing takes form in all shapes and sizes.

 

[Almasy]

The debate stems from a sum of things, one key thing being that GG isn't a AAA caliber developer. They are the definition of mediocrity. Every single game they released has been unadulterated crap. If this was Blinx the Time Sweeper 3 or Kakuto Chojin 360, Microsoft would have been laughed off of the stage for trying to pass off CG of mediocre games as real-time. But Sony gets a fat ass golden pass. If this was a video from Kojima or another respected developer, there would be no debate. But the existence of this thread is a testament to Sony's massive blinding mindshare. It's fucking rediculous.

Whether or not Killzone is real-time or not is irrelevant. It's based on a crappy game from a crappy developer. There should be no debate. But since it's from the demi Gods at Sony, every word from their mouth is truth sweeter than honey.

What a load of BS, frankly. People were looking forward to Killzone because of the potential it had, and many people on the web were many times in denial of what it was showing on screen. In the end, the game seened to be limited more by the hardware it was on than anything else.

Bringing up Blinx or Kakuto Chojin is the very definition of ignorance. It´s not a similar situation in the least, and at least in terms of visuals GG has probed it has a lot of potential. Bringing up Sony fans being blind is quite stupid, since Killzone PS3 does NOT have a free pass, heck, the prefered posture is of it being BS, so I don´t know what exactly you´re seeing. Aside from antagonizing the Sony fanbase, I don´t know exactly what was the purpose of your post.

 

[Qroach]

Oh, come on, what a load of BS. If you are so sure of your information, have the balls to post who told you.

I said to PM me. yet you haven't which clearly suggests you have no interest in hearing what i have to say, and have more an interest in throwning a hissy fit. not only that but you're bringin xbox and/or MS into a discussion that thas nothing to do with them.

As far as I´m concerned, your "look at me!!!! I´m the insider!!! Look at my info!!!" act is childish, lame, and no different from any other of the countless industry insiders populating the web.

Riiight... that's exactly what I did, didn't I. you know you're obviously more interested in playing a specific forum role (you know what that role is) instead of trying to reason things through. There's MANY other people in this thread that are falling for the nonsense you've fallen for. You're trying hard to find any reason you can to discredit me, go ahead if it makes you feel better. In fact I really enjoy watching people do this.

You´re a big MS f@nboy, it´s pretty stupid to try to deny it. That´s how you have always approached things and that´s how you have shaped everything you say.

Like I said before, yes I happen to like the xbox more then my other two consoles. SO WHAT? But once again, what does that have to do with being able to tell CG from realtime game footage? Nothing.... and the fact you keep ignoring that? well you shouldn't throw stones in a glass house.

I don´t trust you because your reasoning has always been warped, simple as that. Having all consoles has never been an indication of anything, so I´m wondering what you´re trying to establish by mentioning it.

LOL, my resoning is warped? nonsense. wanna give me a few examples of that? and like I said before, opinion aside, I've never lied or had reason to lie about anything. So let's look at your judgement here: From what you are implying, you simply won't beleive anything from a person that doesn't agree with your point of view. Yeah that sums you up nicely.

When have you been right anyway? AFAIK, you have never posted anything worthwhile that came from your "insider" vault that has been correct, so don´t go around yelling at everyone that the Killzone video is a farse and that it must be accepted as truth because "you have your sources".

Now you're just acting like a f@nb0y. I said I had it confirmed that it wasn't real, yet there was already evidence in that sony never came out and said it was real available to everyone. What i didn't say was believe me ONLY because I have a source. I said look at the bloody evidence right in front of you, and I also had numerous sources that has confirmed this privately to me (reliable sources). I would have told you privatly before you decided to take this to another fanlike level, but now I see there's no point, you'll just try to find some other excuse and ignore it.

You don´t know a thing, so please shut up with all of these "super insider rumors" and asking people to believe it as if it were a fact, ok? There´s not a single thing that separates you from a PSM rumor, nothing, so shut up.

perhaps you shouldn't partake in this discussion. you're post has turned in to fanish drivel. believe what you want, no matter how incredibly silly that makes you look.

 

[zidane1strife]

mgs2... all over again. sony has never delivered a demo that could not be match given the same scenario in the final h/w, as far as I can recall. This'd be their first time, and when someone has a track record, one tends to base one's reasoning on such. If the killzone vid was done to spec, and used in-game assets, it's most likely to be matched in most relevant aspects by next-gen ps3 s/w, if this is not the case then what was done is very questionable. Has anyone heard it was done without regards to in-game assets, specs, etc. (I'm not talking about the lighting, or some slight enhancements of particles, etc. I'm talking about model complexity, physics, number of animations/objects/etc. Keep in mind the ps2 can keep 100s of objects on-screen at the time in-game, and one of the realtime ps3 demos had 100s of thousands of flying moving objects in a 3d space with complex movements without taxing the significantly weaker dev h/w.)

ed

 

[Agisthos]

I can explain some of the confusion behind the Killzone video. It is a CG movie but made with art assets from the actual game in development. This is where some people are getting fooled that it is realtime, because of the gameart likeness of it.

I can't remember the quote from the Sony guy, but someone said in an interview that the Killzone movie uses game assets, but he avoided saying it was running in realtime.

Its pretty easy to see how some people will cling to the hope it is realtime, because of this.

No doubt the final game will look exactly like that art wise, but whether they can do all those physics and game geometry is another story

 

[wco81]

Geez guys, the game is probably two years away.

Save the flames for then.

 

[Alpha_Spartan]

The debate stems from a sum of things, one key thing being that GG isn't a AAA caliber developer. They are the definition of mediocrity. Every single game they released has been unadulterated crap. If this was Blinx the Time Sweeper 3 or Kakuto Chojin 360, Microsoft would have been laughed off of the stage for trying to pass off CG of mediocre games as real-time. But Sony gets a fat ass golden pass. If this was a video from Kojima or another respected developer, there would be no debate. But the existence of this thread is a testament to Sony's massive blinding mindshare. It's fucking rediculous.

Whether or not Killzone is real-time or not is irrelevant. It's based on a crappy game from a crappy developer. There should be no debate. But since it's from the demi Gods at Sony, every word from their mouth is truth sweeter than honey.

What a load of BS, frankly. People were looking forward to Killzone because of the potential it had, and many people on the web were many times in denial of what it was showing on screen. In the end, the game seened to be limited more by the hardware it was on than anything else.

Blinx 2 had potential as well. The game sucked. The same goes for Killzone. The game had potential, but it sucked. It was overhyped and the developer was overhyped. Guerilla and their games are overhyped.

Bringing up Blinx or Kakuto Chojin is the very definition of ignorance. It´s not a similar situation in the least, and at least in terms of visuals GG has probed it has a lot of potential.

You are the very definition of ignorance because you don't see the point of the parallel. You know for a fact that if Microsoft showed CG demos of failed franchises, they wouldn't get the same star treatment that Sony got by the gaming press.

Bringing up Sony fans being blind is quite stupid, since Killzone PS3 does NOT have a free pass, heck, the prefered posture is of it being BS, so I don´t know what exactly you´re seeing. Aside from antagonizing the Sony fanbase, I don´t know exactly what was the purpose of your post.

The fact that you're offended shows that you're part of that fanbase. Unfortunately, gamers like you represent a small percentage of Sony's fanbase. The majority of PS2 owners are casual gamers who are more likely to take the word of Sony PR/Marketing over balanced analysis from sites such as these. They get their info from the mainstream rags/ads. Have you read the gaming press such as EGM, IGN, Gamespot and other print/web media? They went ape shit over the Killzone CG movie delcaring Sony the "winner" (whatever that means). I'm sorry, but the average Playstation gamer doesn't go to B3D or Anandtech to get their information. They go to the mainstream gaming rags to get their info. They are mostly ignorant and gullible.

I can see I struck a nerve. You can tell who the Sony fanboys are because they are the first to get all wound up when they percieve some sign of negativity against the almighty Sony.

 

[EpicZero]

Blinx 2 had potential as well. The game sucked. The same goes for Killzone. The game had potential, but it sucked. It was overhyped and the developer was overhyped. Guerilla and their games are overhyped.

You're comparing Blinx 2 to Killzone? That is completely different. Blinx would have been the better comparison. I want to see what Guerilla can do with the next-gen Killzone. That is because when I played Killzone, I enjoyed myself. Yes, it had quite a few issues, but I found the story, setting, and atmosphere to be exceptional. There is a lot Guerilla has to do to make this upcoming game a premier title for the PS3. They may or may not be up to the task. But I believe that this Killzone, will improve on the original, and be a very good title.

 

[PC-Engine]

I'm gonna set the record straight. The Killzone2 video was a prerendered movie. Makes no difference whether it was rendered on a SGI Onyx, a Amiga 500, a ps3 dev kit or my grandmothers E-Machine.

The final game code could be that good though. BUT, from the hyped up screens and videos we have been getting in the past 2-3 years I kinda doubt it.

PSM has about as much credibility as a Mario review in Nintendo Power. Same with OXM. I'm still waiting for the ps2 to redefine AI by synthesizing real human emotions as promised by PSM in 1999.

BINGO!!!!!

I won't mention any names, but I think some folks want to believe PS3 is essentially a graphics workstation where it could render offline CGI like KZ2 demo at 5 fps then jumping to the conclusion that it's possible that PS3 will be able to do it at 60fps with a magical bump to 12.8GHz for CELL and 2.2GHz for RSX.

 

[liverkick]

I'm sorry, but the average Playstation gamer doesn't go to B3D or Anandtech to get their information. They go to the mainstream gaming rags to get their info. They are mostly ignorant and gullible.

When did the B3D console forum get mirrored to gamefaqs? Will it be back anytime soon?

Yikes.