I'm aware that you can strip the hdcp signal so that you can put PS3 or devices with hdmi dection on non HDMI devices. Anyone know specifially who sells devices I saw something at asain site that did for ps3 vga but forgot where to find it. BTW no way I'm purchasing a new monitor, would you give up a gdm-fw900, just to play a ps3. 360 is fine as I can live with 720p.
PS3 on monitors
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Rainbow Man
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I hear any HDTV-ready LCD sold in Europe has to support HDCP. If you can handle using a TV as a monitor that is. I use a Sony 720P TV/monitor for my consoles. PS3 loosks sweeet on it.
Dell's 2007 series of monitors all support it as well I believe. Or at least the 19" and up but I guess you don't want smaller. I'm waiting on delivery of the 24" version. Will report on how it works when I get it on friday (hopefully if the freight company isn't lying to me).
Peace.
Dell's 2007 series of monitors all support it as well I believe. Or at least the 19" and up but I guess you don't want smaller. I'm waiting on delivery of the 24" version. Will report on how it works when I get it on friday (hopefully if the freight company isn't lying to me).
Peace.
Angelcurio
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A little bit offtopic, but i really need your help guys.
I plan on buying a new LCD monitor HDCP compliant to play with my ps3 on 720P resolution. I have been checking prices on newegg and these two monitors are two of the ones i like the most, so i would like to see your opinion. The two monitors are widescreen and have HDMI ports.
The first one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014141
The second one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014139
The first one only has 19 inches, but has a response time of 2ms.
The second one is bigger (22 inches) but it has a 5ms response time, also in the reviews section a lot of people complain about problems related with backlighting, but since i do not have any experience with LCD monitors i don't really know what kind of problems these are, or how annoying they could be.
The reviews are here:
First monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824014141
Second: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824014139
Also, if you would like to suggest me another monitor brand that isnt beyond 299.99, your help will also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
I plan on buying a new LCD monitor HDCP compliant to play with my ps3 on 720P resolution. I have been checking prices on newegg and these two monitors are two of the ones i like the most, so i would like to see your opinion. The two monitors are widescreen and have HDMI ports.
The first one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014141
The second one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014139
The first one only has 19 inches, but has a response time of 2ms.
The second one is bigger (22 inches) but it has a 5ms response time, also in the reviews section a lot of people complain about problems related with backlighting, but since i do not have any experience with LCD monitors i don't really know what kind of problems these are, or how annoying they could be.
The reviews are here:
First monitor: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824014141
Second: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=N82E16824014139
Also, if you would like to suggest me another monitor brand that isnt beyond 299.99, your help will also be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
TVs cost more than monitors though. Looking for a monitor upgrade for my PC, £100 on a widescreen 19" panel is good value. £200 for a widescreen HDTV where I haven't got use for HDTV and won't have for a long time, isn't!
Rainbow Man
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Sheesh SORRY then for making the suggestion! I just thought I'd toss it out since it seems like you're a brit and it would be an easy way to ensure HDCP capability in your viewing device.
Peace.
I got the 22" Samsung 225BW for our PC(s). But it has HDCP and I tested it with the PS3, works and looks great. It takes the 1080p signal and scales it properly to its 1680x1050 native resolution. I've posted pictures of it on these forums before.
It may be out of your pricerange a little. We paid something like 299 euros for it, but that was in a store. I like it's height adjustable stand also (though it doesn't tilt as some other screens do). 5ms seems plenty on this screen, no games posed a problem on it. Tried Tekken and Blast Factor among others (games which support 60fps 1080p).
It may be out of your pricerange a little. We paid something like 299 euros for it, but that was in a store. I like it's height adjustable stand also (though it doesn't tilt as some other screens do). 5ms seems plenty on this screen, no games posed a problem on it. Tried Tekken and Blast Factor among others (games which support 60fps 1080p).
The suggestion was welcome. I only meant to point out why it wasn't particularly suitable for me. Having said that, a monitor with DVI would probably need a sound solution too. A small HDTV (though I wouldn't want to go larger than 19" as primarily it's for working on at close distance) might actually be an economical solution, and the truth is the minimum price is higher than first appeared.
Rainbow Man
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Dell has (tiny) speakers that you hook under the front bezel of the monitor if you decide to go with their brand.
Sound quality will likely not be ideal of course..but then again the same can be said about built-in TV speakers also. A standalone pair of speakers (maybe with a small sub) even fairly cheap ones would likely sound considerably better..
If fidelity is a second concern to you then the built-in option would be preferrable iI'd think. It would cut down on desk clutter and save you some annoying extra cables.
Have you been thiking of any particular model/brand?
Peace.
Sound quality will likely not be ideal of course..but then again the same can be said about built-in TV speakers also. A standalone pair of speakers (maybe with a small sub) even fairly cheap ones would likely sound considerably better..
If fidelity is a second concern to you then the built-in option would be preferrable iI'd think. It would cut down on desk clutter and save you some annoying extra cables.
Have you been thiking of any particular model/brand?
Peace.
I'd go with headphones for audio. It's the audio pass-through that'd be an issue. An HDMI -> DVI cable will strip out the audio, so I'd need separate audio from the PS3, and I don't have a hifi that'll connect up to that!
For brand I have literally no ideas. I was just on eBuyer.com checking out 17" monitors and saw a widescreen 19" monitor could be picked up for around £100, from lots of companies. I was thinking that'd be a nice improvement for the PC, and it'd double as a PS3 display too. Then I thought about connectivity, and saw most of them were VGA only, and that spawned this thread!
For brand I have literally no ideas. I was just on eBuyer.com checking out 17" monitors and saw a widescreen 19" monitor could be picked up for around £100, from lots of companies. I was thinking that'd be a nice improvement for the PC, and it'd double as a PS3 display too. Then I thought about connectivity, and saw most of them were VGA only, and that spawned this thread!
Don't forget that you can configure audio output to use the basic PS2 style connector. That gives you the white / red output jacks that fit on just about any hifi system in existence, and with the right additional (cheap) adapter plug even directly on your headphone (though I don't know how much the PS3 will amplify the sound output) or a cheap old PC speaker set. Then you can still also configure it to use the optical out of course, which should work with some additional systems. So this shouldn't be an issue ...
The Samsung 22" one has DVI and VGA. I use a HDMI to DVI connector, and that works a charm. Added bonus is that you can easily hook up two systems, one on DVI and one on VGA.
Alongside HDMI out? Would the PS3 drive two displays this way then? That'd be an option as though I use a headphone amp with the PC soundcard.
22" is a bit large, but I see Samsung do a 20" 206W for £170. That's not too bad.
22" is a bit large but you get used to it surprisingly quickly.
And it helps with gaming and wachting BluRay movies and such. Also I'm noticing that more and more software and websites aim at 1280x1024. With 1440x900 (which is my laptops built-in screen resolution), you run into problems in that area. Another advantage is that now you can really put the screen at the end of your desk (or even on the wall behind it) and leave all the space in front of it free for other stuff without really straining your eyes. Remember also that 22" is the same as 19" but extended horizontally (16:10). So it feels the same as a 19" 1280x1024 panel, whereas a 20" 16:10 display feels more like a 17" screen.
I like it a lot and which I had one at work too! I almost wish it was 1900x1200, but then again right now the pixel size is such that everything is easily readable without having to change any font-size settings.
Angelcurio
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This model sounds quite interesting, i just saw it on newegg going on for 289. I might get this one instead, since i see that it could support 1080p. And more interesting is to know that it doesnt have issues with its 5ms response time.
BTW, could you offer a response to my post on the first page? http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1027142&postcount=23
I was thinking about buying one of those two monitors. But i would like you to see those models and give your oppinion, that way i could choose the monitor model you just chose if they are worse than the ones i posted.
I really don't have any experience with the BenQ, and they aren't readily available in shops over here in Europe, so I can't really comment on them. It seems that the BenQ has a HDMI port, which could be an advantage. But then it seems that it only takes 1080i from the PS3? That I'd consider a big disadvantage. Also, some people are complaining about over-saturisation on the contrast levels and some bleeding in the comments, but I guess there will always be people complaining.
I have no complaints about the Samsung though, and that's about all the advice I can give you on the subject!
I have no complaints about the Samsung though, and that's about all the advice I can give you on the subject!
Angelcurio
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Well, i guess that settles it for me. The Samsung model is big enough for me, and know that it will support 1080p really adds to the experience, i will go for that one instead. Thanks for the advice.
BTw, is there any limitation by using HDMI to DVI conector, like not being able to use full RGB settings, or PS2 and PS1 game upscaling? since i heard that those things only work through HDMI. Also, are those HDMI to DVI conectors expensive?
Gradthrawn
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A rather peculiar characteristic of the PS3 is that it will let you mix any combination of cables for video/audio, but will never send video and audio to both. Meaning, you could use HDMI for video and the standard composite cables for audio, yes. But you cannot set it to send audio out of both. You could even use HDMI for audio and component for video. This becomes a problem (nuisance) when you have an A/V receiver connected via optical to the PS3 and component/HDMI to the TV. In such a situation you must always have your receiver on in order to hear audio (unless you enjoy switching audio output every time you play). Its baffling because the PS2 didn't do this, and neither does the 360. I'm sure there's a good reason for it... I just can't figure it out.
By the way, pretty much all of the newer digital widescreen (BW series) Samsung monitors support HDCP. And, they always seem to list it on there stats page. If I were going to buy a new monitor, with PS3 gaming specifically in mind, I would go for the 906BW, 206BW, or the 226BW. 19, 20, and 22 inch monitors respectively, each with a reported 2ms response time (and with DVI and VGA inputs).
I have this model, it works nicely. Although I've been juggling cables between my PC and PS3, so I can use the 360 on the VGA port..getting a switch to get around that.
Be wary of reviews on those Samsung's though. Rather cheekily, Samsung apparently sent out review models with high quality panels, and then after the first run, switched them for cheaper, lower quality panels. I couldn't bring myself to check if mine was one of the 'good' panels or not..as is, it's much better than my old monitor, but if I knew it was somehow inferior to how it should be, it'd drive me crazy
I doubt the PS3 even knows that you are using an HDMI / DVI connector (which aren't really expensive afaik - I paid 20-30 euros I think, at a regular store, and online you'll probably find something cheaper). So yes, you can use all the HDMI-only settings. (HDMI is basically DVI-D with integrated sound anyway.)
@Shifty, sorry I didn't pick up on that other question, but as stated above, yes, you can select different outputs for audio/video. I don't use it myself because my Samsung TV is a great dolby 5.1 to Dolby Pro Logic II converter, which is as far as my old amp will take me (Sony, 1992). But it sounds great, still, amazingly enough. But I noticed it when I was fooling around with the settings.
Thanks for those links. A 19" 906BW would probably be ideal. However, what is ithat in Eurospeak?! They don't have a 906BW at Samsung's UK page. Nor a 206BW. There's a SM940BW which is 19", but 4ms response. I can't find a 906BW on any stores either. Is that monitor even avilable over here yet? Or are they pulling the typical 'let's release it 6 months later to Europe because they're Europeans and we hate them' maneouvre?
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