That's probably true. And I think this hierarchy has a bug in some of the levels on my moon. I have a destroyer and tag both activated at the same time, or rather with this hierarchy in mind the tag is activated before it's destroyed. Now if I copy the whole object with L3 that changes in the copy. The tag will be destroyed before it's activated. I used the same 0.1 second delay to make it reliable again.
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That's probably true. And I think this hierarchy has a bug in some of the levels on my moon. I have a destroyer and tag both activated at the same time, or rather with this hierarchy in mind the tag is activated before it's destroyed. Now if I copy the whole object with L3 that changes in the copy. The tag will be destroyed before it's activated. I used the same 0.1 second delay to make it reliable again.
The obvious fix is have destruction as the last thing you do with an object, always. That makes the most sense too, and I'm a bit surprised it doesn't work that way! with what you say about the copy behaving differently, I suppose there's an order that copied objects are 'rebuilt' that can introduce subtle changes.
Yeah, hopefully it'll be fixed in the full game. I did report it. It's rather nasty bug because it effects captured objects aswell, and can't be fixed by simply replacing the faulty logic. Only rebuilding the chip entirely will do it. Luckily I keep the older captured version after I've added logic for the newer version. I still lost a lot of time rebuilding things, and checking if everything still works the way it's supposed to. Can't wait for the full game, so I can start making a proper version of my level.
Billy Idol
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Phantastic Shifty!
Great music too! Reminds me of the old Amiga demo scene...
Looks great and gives me a good mood overall!
Some questions to the creator:
- Is it possible in LBP2 to implement combo points. E.g. when you get attacked by a swarm of little "fishes" and you manage to kill all of the swarm before they leave the screen - would be cool to get combo points, or maybe a nice upgrade coin?!
- Upgrade is a big question for me: is it possible to implement some form of upgrade system? I saw that you already got some cool bombs and blast and everything. It would be ultra cool for instance to get some kind of shop (remember Blood Money), where I can spend some upgrade coins to get new weapons...for instance a nice looking shield, or a small protector satellite
- How about coop? Is this in theory possible?
- It would be super cool, to have a mixed game: for instance the base could be kind of treasure hunting, or upgrade coins for your ship!? Then you fly around with your ship, fighting monsters and get an indication that treasure is around - > now you have to leave the ship to make the side missions and find the treasure on foot, using you mighty laser cannon
...just some random thoughts from and old skool fighter game lover...
Could you rougly give a number how long it takes to make something like this in LBP2 creator?
I wonder why MM did not include the YouTube PS3 capability directly? Would made things a lot easier...
I noticed a couple of missing bits of componentry that actually seem obvious these days - virtual MEMS! Real MEMS is appearing in all our devices, so why not on our LBP devices? Gyro and accelerometer sensors are needed to cover some actions that otherwise still need little bits of mechanics and aren't very reliable. I was trying to create a more sophisticated camera typical of scrolling games that'll move to look ahead in the direction you're travelling, and struggling with lots of different techniques, noticed it'd only take an accelerometer sensor.
Thanks! (and goonergaz)
I think so. Probably with tags, labelling each wave.
Yep. Cornsnake recommended a shooter level with loads of upgrades. I haven't checked it out yet. My system just changes the action based on collectables, but you could wire in shop system for making changes. Using the selector makes this pretty easy. Although stopping in a shop, it could be done but would need a fair bit of work.
Easy peasy! I could almost copy/paste the spaceship to add a second. The only tricky bit for me is the 'external' HUD that needs hard-wiring (although there may be solutions to that). Lots of levels have the HUD as part of the player character, little floating bars that can be part of the object directly and so spawnable.
I look forward to playing it when you've made it!- It would be super cool, to have a mixed game: for instance the base could be kind of treasure hunting, or upgrade coins for your ship!? Then you fly around with your ship, fighting monsters and get an indication that treasure is around - > now you have to leave the ship to make the side missions and find the treasure on foot, using you mighty laser cannon
But yeah, a basic variation on Lunar Jetman is doable. There's one major limit to LBP2 regards creating classics though, and that's no wrap-around screen. You can't have a player go off the left and on the right. So where something like Biplanes or Star Control is creatable, having to work without wraparound is going to have a very negative impact on the gameplay. Dunno how that could be addressed, but I very much doubt it'll happen in LBP2. You also can't (AFAIK) flip an object in game, so vehicles have to be of a symmetrical design rather than like Lunar Jetman where the truck would change direction it was pointing.Too long? At least twice as long as you anticipate?
It's much, much faster than LBP1. You can lay the foundation for any simple game in a couple of hours, once you are experienced. Prior to that, there's a lot of exploring and experimenting. I dunno how you'd factor in the learning time. And the polish takes a long time too. I find creating a level, rather than just a game mechanic, is the hardest part. You need to spend time adding variety and thinking about the gameplay experience. Still, some of the 8 and 16 bit classics can be created in spirit in a weekend. I was thinking of trying a search-and-rescue level (vertical scroller, where I wanted the camera mechanic mentioned in the above post) and had a brief look yesterday. Could build a ship, sackbots to rescue, and basic level in a few hours maybe, but I spent as long just trying to figure out a vertical-only scrolling camera, to no success!Maybe it's because they haven't got the processing to spare? But yeah, it's a major omission, especially given the movie-type creations they want. Then again, maybe they want people to buy LBP2 to experience these instead of watching them for free on YouTube?
Billy Idol
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Maybe it's because they haven't got the processing to spare? But yeah, it's a major omission, especially given the movie-type creations they want. Then again, maybe they want people to buy LBP2 to experience these instead of watching them for free on YouTube?
Thanks for the insight!
With regards to Youtube: my feeling is that Youtube videos of levels which can be made in LBP2 is the best commercial in the world for this game - and it is free and user made
Just a side node: you know that in those old skool shooters there are typicall 99 levels....so where is the rest
The good thing with the scrolling-level system is it's simply level based, just like any other scrolling LBP level. One could easily build new levels and string them together with the level links, so a long game would definitely be possible.Just a side node: you know that in those old skool shooters there are typicall 99 levels....so where is the rest
upnorthsox
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It may just be down for the beta, that way people have to work to break NDA.
There is the same in-game camera for capturing screenshots. LBP.me shows such captured images, though they're 440x248 pixel titchy!
They have their own channel, but I don't recall any YT recording in LBP and a quick Google doesn't suggest there was either.
You get a webspace at LBP.me that lists all your creations, where you can explore other people's creations, and queue them to play on LBP2. Every game gets a URL and a visual code - my shooter level is : http://beta.lbp.me/v/3r73 with that card http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chld=L|1&chs=60x60&chl=http://beta.lbp.me/v/3r73. So you can send people links or print out cards for them to access a level via webcam presumably. I don't know if that's implemented yet. You then get a list of cool levels, hot levels, MM Picks. Otherwise it's much the same as LBP - thousands and thousands of creations you are competing against. Like everything else. 'Success' (if you're after recognition and not just creating something for the fun of it or for someone in particular) depends on promotion skills outside of the game. Being part of a huge network (GAF, large Facebook posse) to get a large initial viewing and become a hot level to top one of the go-to charts is pretty much essential AFAICS.
Where's Jaeyden in all this? Surely he has a beta key, being a Crowned Prince.
I've already mentioned Quazi's work has appeared on MM Picks with a few demos. I'll go looking for Jaeyden.
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