PowerVR SGX543

Yeah, as I was saying to him earlier on... that might be due to me being depressed enough for other reasons and that might be taking a shroud of doom and gloom over the tech race due to some other competitor's tech push...


Still Arun, with the way manufacturing technology is going... manufacturers' dreams for a next-generation's performance requirements and what will be affordable to manufacture... well they might be two different things.

Look at PS3 even... if they could afford to be as bullish as they were earlier as far as manufacturing tech quickly reducing the cost of components down with time... you would have seen a much bigger CELL BE and maybe something called RS as the GPU. Die-size wise the CELL BE was not certainly the monster someone expected it to be.

If they launch a 300+ mm^2 CPU in 45 nm or 32 nm they do not have many die shrinks around the corner to cut manufacturing costs (and each new manufacturing process comes at a big premium).

MCM's in consoles?

We will see .

 

High-end consoles? A contradiction in terms.
My point was that the stationary console is a consumer entertainment device. Trends in the PC GPU market in terms of feature set and power draw do not necessarily make sense in console space - indeed, the mismatch is obvious.

 

linear scaling? sign me up. i'd love to have my next desktop card host multiple 543s.

 

Compared to a handheld console not a contradiction at all. Each market has its own low to high end barriers and it's quite irrelevant if f.e. a high end mobile GPU is barely equal to a mainstream PC GPU.

Power draw is truly one of the primary headaches, but it affetcs IMO mostly the amount of units and/or frequency for a console GPU. Featuresets are normally quite high on console GPUs when they appear, irrelevant if the PC GPUs surpass them in that regard in the blink of an eye.

I'm sure you meant future SoC

 

The register has picked up on the story and have a short report on the keynote that IMG gave yesterday and are making a link between these announcements and the much fabled Apple tablet. Given that Apple is rumoured to have already ordered 10" screens for a product later this year, its far to early for it to be anything multi-cored from IMG, IMO. But it is highly likely that the some of the variations of multi-core SGX ARE targetted at Apple products

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/18/sgx543mp/

Extract:-
"Without any intervention by the application - and, more importantly, without any intervention by the application's developer - the driver will pass data to an "MP code scheduler," which will in turn pass that data to one pipeline scheduler per core, which will then pass it to one thread scheduler per multi-threaded processing engine, which will then manage the threads through the engines as they process the graphics data.In other words, the SGX543 can have any number of cores from two to sixteen with no change in the driver software or the application."

 

I thought that 10" Apple device was slated for release for H2 2009? Assuming it contains IMG IP isn't it way too early to use SGX543 or even 543MP?

Apple's 10" tablet/netbook or whatever it'll end up being, needs primarily a certain amount of raw fillrate and that's already there with a SGX535 or SGX540.

 

Hey...I said it first !

"Given that Apple is rumoured to have already ordered 10" screens for a product later this year, its far to early for it to be anything multi-cored from IMG, IMO"

 

Ok ok the relevant headline has been granted

 

I doubt that the PowerVR SGX543MP will go in the next iPhone, the Operating System supports OpenGL ES 1.1 and this mean that doesn´t support Shaders, it isn´t a direct port from desktop version.

Apple netbook or next AppleTV? I see them with Nvidia Ion Chipset.

 

my *guess* is that next gen iphone will be SGX (but not multi-core).

Be interesting to see if there is any reference to es2.0 in the latest iphone 3.0 software.

 

I wouldn't call something with a 10" screen a "phone" anymore *cough*

 

No multi-core this year, but I guess in 2010 we could see a SGX543MP in an iPhone. Since imho there seems to be no reference to higher resolution screen in the SDK3.0, a SGX530 would be more than enough for this year's model. And without a higher resolution and multitasking there's no absolute need for more RAM. So a higher clocked (but still ARM11) CPU, more storage and the mentioned SGX530 will most likely be the only (chip) changes this summer imho.

 

If we're talking about a smartphone and not that weird yet undefined 10" screen device (slated for H2 2009), then I don't understand what would change of all the sudden so radically in mobile game content that would presuppose an increase from a hypothetical 530 to a hypothetical 543MP (and yes even "just" dual core) within only a year.

Besides the fact the each core needs a bit more time from announcement to final device integration and the 543 is the youngest core at the moment of the entire SGX family, a single core SGX543 could be over 4x times faster than a SGX530. I don't see a single shred of a shader yet in any mobile game (or I'm blind); what is there so groundbreaking in 2010 that Apple would chose a 543 over a 540 for example?

 

If Apple truly wants to build a netbook in the less foreseeable future that isn't crap (sic), they'd better orient themselves either along Ion2 or SGX MP after all LOL

 

while my next desktop will be a SoC for all intents and purposes, it will still have a PCI slot ; )

 

The problem is that perhaps Apple will do the same that they did with the iPod, the same logical board generation after generation with some enhacements like better battery, more flash memory...

For example between iPod 4G and 5G (Video) the only difference in the logical board was an extra processor for h.264 decoding and nothing more, perhaps Apple will replace some processors made for others that made the same task with less power consumption.

 

My guess would be SGX543 in 2011 at the earliest.
This year we'll see SGX 530 / VXD in an iPhone/Touch. We may even see an SGX 520 in a lower spec version Phone or Nano type device, either later this year or early next.

SGX 540 perhaps next year, followed by 543 as I'd mentioned in around 2 years time. Anything faster than this will be a welcome surprise however...

 

Neither would I, I'm expecting new iphone hardware in the summer, with one of the previously announced SGX cores in it, but not 543 or 543MP. The 10" *thingy* is something entirely separate.