Poll on future dx9 card's ( not ati and nvidia ) performance
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Some comment whould be good also.
I personnaly think than powervr will have the best video card in the list, if they can release their card before q2 2004. Also if they want have the best part ( even better than ati and nvidia maybe), they need to use high end memory and high core clock. Not like the kyro2.
I personnaly think than powervr will have the best video card in the list, if they can release their card before q2 2004. Also if they want have the best part ( even better than ati and nvidia maybe), they need to use high end memory and high core clock. Not like the kyro2.
Joe DeFuria
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Uttar said:
So that it's not just "competitive" with high end IMRs, but beats them.
Give me a TBDR with the same raw bandwidth as the latest IMR, and the same raw fill-rate of the latest IMR (which should mean approximately equal costs). Then, let the "effecitve fillrate" advantage beat the IMR.
I don't want the same performance at a lower cost. I want the same cost but higher performance!
This poll is really for the obsessive speculators among us. None of these parts are announced, so it really comes down to guessing straight into the blue. Besides, "best performing" is a multidimensional question.
Post Comdex we should hopefully have at least a clue as to XGIs offerings and DeltaChrome.
Patience is a virtue.
Entropy
Post Comdex we should hopefully have at least a clue as to XGIs offerings and DeltaChrome.
Patience is a virtue.
Entropy
The goal of this pool is just to know people opinion on something else than ati and nvidia. If we look the result, people have faith in powervr and nobody think xgi can beat powervr or even via. I know than almost nobody have fact about the next gen part of these compagny, but everybody can have a opinion.
EasyRaider
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The little faith I have left in graphics companies rests with ATI for the time being.
PowerVR has developed promising hardware before, though. I guess it could happen again. But even if they deliver a product better than anything else, I won't be buying it. Why? Because of app compatibility and driver support. I'm not saying PowerVR has been particularly bad in this respect in the past. But when there hasn't been a new product for so long, and little (any?) driver development, problems with some games is almost a certainty. That games are mostly developed with only nVidia and ATI hardware in mind, doesn't help PowerVR either.
PowerVR has developed promising hardware before, though. I guess it could happen again. But even if they deliver a product better than anything else, I won't be buying it. Why? Because of app compatibility and driver support. I'm not saying PowerVR has been particularly bad in this respect in the past. But when there hasn't been a new product for so long, and little (any?) driver development, problems with some games is almost a certainty. That games are mostly developed with only nVidia and ATI hardware in mind, doesn't help PowerVR either.
In my opinion, out of the companies you listed, only PowerVR has a chance to actually surprise us with a really nice DX9 implementation. Sure, they lack the track record for PC parts in the last couple of years, but look at what the likes of SiS/XGI, Via or Matrox brought us ... that's the kind of speculation where not having a (recent) track record could actually prove to be a good thing.
cu
incurable
cu
incurable
OpenGL guy
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DeltaChrome was announced at GDC a while ago.parhelia said:
And an interesting interview can be found here:OpenGL guy said:
http://www.homelanfed.com/index.php?id=12478
Still, there's not much meat on them bones.
Entropy
To get anywhere in this market you either have to be committed to slowly building up a product line like SiS or you have to convincingly beat ATi and Nvidia in the high end on both performance and price.
To do that is a monumental task.
Which Japanese company owns PowerVr by the way?
To do that is a monumental task.
Which Japanese company owns PowerVr by the way?
Don't know about the best performing card, but I'd go for XGI being the first to show a viable chip family, and continuing to produce viable products after that. That's based on SiS track record. SiS has managed to keep a presence in the graphics market, even if just at the low end. PowerVR and S3 Graphics haven't produced anything (or any discrete or up to date chip, in VIA's case) for a while, and when they did, they usually showed up with a some hardware with potential (more in PowerVR's case, but S3 did give us texture compression) then failed to update it to keep up. XGI seems determined to forge a way into the market, and I think that even if they don't manage to outdo NVIDIA and ATI for now, the could become a player.
which one is it:
- Matrox: nope, is already going on door.
"say greets to guys on business market. bye!"
- Bitboys: not even that much chance. they are having hands full with Hand Held stuff.
"first Axe, then Hammer, now perhaps iron age Philishave?? Bye bye from Desktop market."
- XGI: no one knows exactly what they have on their sleeves... btw, what happend to Xabre II?? but I really don't think they could jump a step this high from Xabre...
"how was it?? bilinear has four samples, right??"
- Via / S3: they are coming but dx9 isn't their blast thru. so not really, I don't think so... DeltaChrome isn't enough. it might be ok entrance chip but will it be too late for consumers? for Via they are still on schedule.
"so you bought this company S3 and it had?? what?? did you say nothing on the moment of bought?"
- PowerVR: this chap has the best chances, but how long it is going to take is mystery.
"Kyro III is High... erm... we got correction: medium.... erm, what paper is this?? oh, another correction: isn't at all."
so, what I selected?? nothing. I didn't vote.
It's way too difficult try to predict these things. (at least with knowledge I have now.)
- Matrox: nope, is already going on door.
"say greets to guys on business market. bye!"
- Bitboys: not even that much chance. they are having hands full with Hand Held stuff.
"first Axe, then Hammer, now perhaps iron age Philishave?? Bye bye from Desktop market."
- XGI: no one knows exactly what they have on their sleeves... btw, what happend to Xabre II?? but I really don't think they could jump a step this high from Xabre...
"how was it?? bilinear has four samples, right??"
- Via / S3: they are coming but dx9 isn't their blast thru. so not really, I don't think so... DeltaChrome isn't enough. it might be ok entrance chip but will it be too late for consumers? for Via they are still on schedule.
"so you bought this company S3 and it had?? what?? did you say nothing on the moment of bought?"
- PowerVR: this chap has the best chances, but how long it is going to take is mystery.
"Kyro III is High... erm... we got correction: medium.... erm, what paper is this?? oh, another correction: isn't at all."
so, what I selected?? nothing. I didn't vote.
It's way too difficult try to predict these things. (at least with knowledge I have now.)
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