PlayStation 3 to feature Blu-Ray disc - Official!
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From what I understand and there are others here that can post if this is right or wrong as I don't have many contacts and I'm sure some of them will have more knowledge than i .
But in terms of system cost to the company it will be ps3 , xenon , nintendo.
In terms of pricing out of the gate I don't know. But the ms system will be cheaper than the sony system to manufacture .
Also If what I hear is true then the xenon is still going to launch first .
Which means they can launch at a higher price point and adjust as needed.
But in terms of system cost to the company it will be ps3 , xenon , nintendo.
In terms of pricing out of the gate I don't know. But the ms system will be cheaper than the sony system to manufacture .
Also If what I hear is true then the xenon is still going to launch first .
Which means they can launch at a higher price point and adjust as needed.
Well supporting Bluray can be a pro or con for ps3. If Bluray content is woefull and the industry supports HD-DVD then this will be a disadvantage for PS3, because the bluray won't really be a popular or demanded feature from a consumer point of view. But on the other side if the large bluray base in ps3 is used to sway industry support it can be a plus.
It just saddens me to see bluray/HD-DVD in the first place, DVD was such a hit because the whole industry was behind, there was no confusion for consumers and it was a nice large jump in quality for consumers.
I think this whole war will just kill industry enthisiasm and slow the acceptance of high definition video. Not to mention I think DVD still has plenty of life and for a lot of people launching a new video standard when people have just gotten confortable with dvd may work against acceptance to these new formats. Plus lets not forget that Europe has not embraced HD in broadcasting, so a large portion of the world is still using PAL video standard day to day. Only the US/Japan/Australia/China are regions where HD broadcasting standards are popular and backed by government free to air programs.
It just saddens me to see bluray/HD-DVD in the first place, DVD was such a hit because the whole industry was behind, there was no confusion for consumers and it was a nice large jump in quality for consumers.
I think this whole war will just kill industry enthisiasm and slow the acceptance of high definition video. Not to mention I think DVD still has plenty of life and for a lot of people launching a new video standard when people have just gotten confortable with dvd may work against acceptance to these new formats. Plus lets not forget that Europe has not embraced HD in broadcasting, so a large portion of the world is still using PAL video standard day to day. Only the US/Japan/Australia/China are regions where HD broadcasting standards are popular and backed by government free to air programs.
I agree mozmo.
My father who loves high tech stuff told me i was nuts when i told him about hd dvd and blueray.
He said he has 400 dvds and he doesn't want to have to rebuy them in hd tv standards in such a short time. He claimed he had his vhs player for over 23 years (older than i am
) and he doesn't get why there is such a big jump.
Neither do i .
But i think the biggest mistake was the hdtv standards.
What if u have a tv that only has 728i (or whatever) how will u play the ones for the highest standard ?
Are they going to make diffrent discs for diffrent standards ? They going to force them all to be in the lowest ?
I think they all messed up royaly on this
My father who loves high tech stuff told me i was nuts when i told him about hd dvd and blueray.
He said he has 400 dvds and he doesn't want to have to rebuy them in hd tv standards in such a short time. He claimed he had his vhs player for over 23 years (older than i am
) and he doesn't get why there is such a big jump.Neither do i .
But i think the biggest mistake was the hdtv standards.
What if u have a tv that only has 728i (or whatever) how will u play the ones for the highest standard ?
Are they going to make diffrent discs for diffrent standards ? They going to force them all to be in the lowest ?
I think they all messed up royaly on this
No-one has to rebuy their DVD's because of HD DVD or BR.
I don't think there are many who even think of updating their entire collection, maybe just some favorite films.
Old DVD's are completely playable on new HD DVD and BR players.
And when you buy new films, and if you hav HDDVD or BR, you are likely to buy them in either high definition format.
Current DVD is already higher resolution than non HD TV's, I see no problem with BR/HD DVD being higher res than the display owned.
I don't think there are many who even think of updating their entire collection, maybe just some favorite films.
Old DVD's are completely playable on new HD DVD and BR players.
And when you buy new films, and if you hav HDDVD or BR, you are likely to buy them in either high definition format.
Current DVD is already higher resolution than non HD TV's, I see no problem with BR/HD DVD being higher res than the display owned.
mozmo said:
Yes, but it does seem to be sour grapes on Sony's part more than anything else at first. They could include HD-DVD but they want to push their own standard. Of course since they want to get a license fee from all Blu Ray players sold it just makes buisness sense so it's not really sour grapes just capitalism.
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jvd said:I agree mozmo.
My father who loves high tech stuff told me i was nuts when i told him about hd dvd and blueray.
He said he has 400 dvds and he doesn't want to have to rebuy them in hd tv standards in such a short time. He claimed he had his vhs player for over 23 years (older than i am
Neither do i .
But i think the biggest mistake was the hdtv standards.
What if u have a tv that only has 728i (or whatever) how will u play the ones for the highest standard ?
Are they going to make diffrent discs for diffrent standards ? They going to force them all to be in the lowest ?
I think they all messed up royaly on this
In an press release today, Sony Corporation announced that they have developed a single 3-wavelength recording/playback optical head, capable of recording and playing-back 3 formats; Blu-ray Disc (BD), DVD, and CD.
Source: http://www.ps3insider.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=111
jvd said:I agree mozmo.
My father who loves high tech stuff told me i was nuts when i told him about hd dvd and blueray.
He said he has 400 dvds and he doesn't want to have to rebuy them in hd tv standards in such a short time. He claimed he had his vhs player for over 23 years (older than i am
Neither do i .
But i think the biggest mistake was the hdtv standards.
What if u have a tv that only has 728i (or whatever) how will u play the ones for the highest standard ?
Are they going to make diffrent discs for diffrent standards ? They going to force them all to be in the lowest ?
I think they all messed up royaly on this
And here i was, thinking that BlueRay players will be compatible with any previous diics based format...
Oh wait... THEY WILL!!
Ur dad won't have to rebuy anything, unless he wants the HD version of a movie.
KnightBreed
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I think your doom and gloom outlook on the HDTV standard is highly unwarranted. There are currently only two HDTV broadcast standards that have any hope of displacing NTSC and PAL - 720p and 1080i. Blu-ray and HD-DVD will probably support a maximum of 1080p at either 24 or 30fps (hopefully 48 and 60fps, but I'm not holding my breath).jvd said:I agree mozmo.
My father who loves high tech stuff told me i was nuts when i told him about hd dvd and blueray.
He said he has 400 dvds and he doesn't want to have to rebuy them in hd tv standards in such a short time. He claimed he had his vhs player for over 23 years (older than i am
Neither do i .
But i think the biggest mistake was the hdtv standards.
What if u have a tv that only has 728i (or whatever) how will u play the ones for the highest standard ?
Are they going to make diffrent discs for diffrent standards ? They going to force them all to be in the lowest ?
I think they all messed up royaly on this
I fail to see the problem with this.
Yes, there are HDTVs that support everything from 854x480 all the way up to 1920x1200, but all of that is absolutely irrelevant because they all accept a 720p and 1080i input and will up/downconvert to their native resolution if necessary.
If you have a display that only supports 854 vertical lines and you try to watch a sports broadcast at 1080i, you will lose the extra lines of resolution. Yes, that sucks, but then again you purchased a cheap "ED" display, so what do you expect?
Those that don't understand the need for high definition are probably watching DVDs on screens <42" in diagonal. Try blowing up a DVD source with a projector and then tell me with a straight face that 720x480 is sufficient.
KnightBreed said:
So true, and even at less than that to be honest, depending on the DVD and on the player of course.
MrSingh said:I think you guys are missing the point. The winner of the next format war will be decided by the pirates in China and Malaysia.
China has developed their own formats. There are EVD players out there already, running about $240. They're not selling well and there is only one title.
I think there is yet another format in the Far East. But HDTVs are scarce over there from what I understand.
Brimstone said:
I posted this before. There is a personality or ego conflict. Sony and Toshiba started working on their respective formats around the same time. DVD was commoditized far sooner than they wanted so they wanted to develop something new.
Sony's engineer reached out to Toshiba's top engineer. Sony was approaching all the companies. There was an informal group of optical engineers in all these companies who'd been discussing new technologies.
Toshiba's guy rebuffed Sony for whatever reason. Sony went on to line up most of the other hardware companies. They learned their lesson from the Betamax experience.
I don't think anyone can dispute that BR is technically the better format. Yes that didn't help Betamax or other technologies which lost in the market.
It will of course come down to software. Sony has its Columbia Tristar and may get MGM (although they've been talking about that for months and if it hasn't happened by now, maybe it never will?). HD DVD got the approval of the DVD Forum, which includes Warner Bros, which of course has a stake in the patent royalties. But AFAIK, Warner hasn't said explicitly they will release in HD-DVD.
pc999 said:IMO PC market will be very important , it would creat a really big user base, and most of the ilegal copys will be made on a PC
PC being very important is debatable. Look at today's situation with DVD. Bloody Doom3 is still being sold on 3 CDs and a DVD version is not scheduled to come out.
I don't call that "big".
The PC world has always been very slow at adopting new formats, and if TODAY, in 2004, DVD is not the standard on PCs, then how can anyone say that PC will be relevant to what next gen format will "win".
Consoles will have a much much bigger chance of "deciding" what format will win, together with how many movie production studios will support either format.
Well a lot of DVD-ROM drives were shipped before DVD players dipped under $200.
Dell and HP support Blue Ray. MS has said it will support HD-DVD in Longhorn. Maybe it will support Blue Ray as well if Blue Ray uses VC-9 as a codec. Apple also seems to be leaning towards HD-DVD as the next major Quicktime release will support H.264 which is also an HD-DVD codec.
You would think BD-ROM would be more appealing in PC applications because of the storage and throughput advantage. Certainly Dell and HP will be the volume leaders. Plus all those CE companies aligned with BR will surely ship a lot of computer BR drives.
Dell and HP support Blue Ray. MS has said it will support HD-DVD in Longhorn. Maybe it will support Blue Ray as well if Blue Ray uses VC-9 as a codec. Apple also seems to be leaning towards HD-DVD as the next major Quicktime release will support H.264 which is also an HD-DVD codec.
You would think BD-ROM would be more appealing in PC applications because of the storage and throughput advantage. Certainly Dell and HP will be the volume leaders. Plus all those CE companies aligned with BR will surely ship a lot of computer BR drives.
The fact that DVD drives were available on PC first doesn't change the fact that, almost 10 years later, PC software is still being sold mainly on CD, still using multiple CDs. It's a disgrace. DVD obviously hasn't had enough penetration into the PC world, and i can only expect BlueRay or HDDVD not to be the "standard" for many years after they become standard outside the PC world.
Nope, BD-ROM (as well as currently notwriteable HD-DVD) are practically useless from PC perspective as the market transitions are far slower there, as LB noted.
What can drive PC adoption will be writeable versions of the formats, and in turn, PC market is why and where prices for those will likely come down to mainstream levels first.
At least looking at the short history of DVD-/+R it looks to be the most likely thing to happen.
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