Obvious Question: Why is AGP faster than PCI in results?

[T2k]

Well, they aren't making chipsets for Athlon 64 platform.

Ahem, sorry but wrong again: yes, they do make chipsets for A64 too.

FYI:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_4699_4741^4931,00.html

PS: I have dozens of dual Opterons here, all were built on TYan's 2885, which is based on AMD8000 chipset: http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8w.html

PS2: Futhermore IIRC ULi/ALi's K8 chipset is actually a rebadged AMD8000. No wonder: AMD HAD to produce a chipset for its release, otherwise it'd have been DOA.

 

[Dave Baumann]

OK, they haven't made a recent consumer oriented chipset and they appear to be reliant on the third party vendors to produce PCIe chipsets!

 

[Ostsol]

Are these current AMD chipsets like the ones they made for DDR Athlons? In other words, are they just making them to help kick-start other vendors into using and producing their own versions of the technology?

(OT: Reminds me that my motherboard and its AMD761 chipset is aging. . .)

 

[archie4oz]

OK, they haven't made a recent consumer oriented chipset and they appear to be reliant on the third party vendors to produce PCIe chipsets!

Well the AMD8000 really isn't that old old chipset either (nor is it really non-consumer either)...

Dunno why they haven't shipped any PCIe tunnels though... Other than they're waiting 'till they ship more Opteron/Athlon64 processors with higher clocked HT links to support PCIe (without bottlenecking it)...

 

[Dave Baumann]

Well the AMD8000 really isn't that old old chipset either (nor is it really non-consumer either)...

Well, the AMD8000 appears to be primarily aimed at Opterons for Servers and Workstations, according to their PR statements, and Q4 '02 isn't exactly new. However, the biggest indication on what they are intending for the retail desktop markets are what the review kits are based on - generally speaking, once chipsets are available AMD will ship either nForce or VIA chipsets in the review kit; all the initial round of 939 review were done on the MSI VIA boards as this is what AMD sent in their review kit.

 

[Cryect]

Heh lets get a little more back on topic

And the same applies to PCIe - look at the size of a x1 connector to PCI Conventional, and it has twice the bandwidth.

Heh, and for anything but a winmodem those little connectors seem scary to me.

But, yeah multimedia in HDTV and Audio (supposedly PCI was too slow for Nvidia's Soundstorm) is really where we are likely to see the improvements first.

 

[ET]

overall: The interface does not matter at all. The card's chipset and memory does.

Interface and memory interplay. If you're playing the games that match the generation of your card, then normally the interface won't matter. If you have a card with less memory than needed for a game, then the interface can matter quite a lot. Such an old card (say a 32MB card today) will likely not function that great anyway, but even AGPx2 over PCI could give you 15 vs. 5 FPS, meaning (for some games) playable vs. unplayable.

 

[dizietsma]

OK, they haven't made a recent consumer oriented chipset and they appear to be reliant on the third party vendors to produce PCIe chipsets!

Well the AMD8000 really isn't that old old chipset either (nor is it really non-consumer either)...

It's feature set is old. AMD wanted someone else to take up the baton for this chipset but Taiwan was too pre-occupied with 754/939 whilst Intel still ruled the workstation/server sector. This might be changing now however.

 

[Dave Baumann]

I talked to AMD yesterday on their chipset stance and they basically said they only produce an initial one as a reference for new CPU's, and then leave it to the partners beyond that. They made no comment on anything different in the future.

 

[K.I.L.E.R]

I talked to AMD yesterday on their chipset stance and they basically said they only produce an initial one as a reference for new CPU's, and then leave it to the partners beyond that. They made no comment on anything different in the future.

Didn't you say this 2 years ago?
I swore I read that statement elswhere.

 

[T2k]

OK, they haven't made a recent consumer oriented chipset and they appear to be reliant on the third party vendors to produce PCIe chipsets!

Well the AMD8000 really isn't that old old chipset either (nor is it really non-consumer either)...

It's feature set is old.

Ahem... interesting. What makes you think that?

 

[T2k]

I talked to AMD yesterday on their chipset stance and they basically said they only produce an initial one as a reference for new CPU's, and then leave it to the partners beyond that. They made no comment on anything different in the future.

Didn't you say this 2 years ago?
I swore I read that statement elswhere.

Hehehe...