If you are a user, then yes. From nv's pov, not really....
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Blazkowicz
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The driver that was dropped wasn't really useful, if you don't want to install a real driver you might as well use VESA ; if you want an open source driver, use nouveau (unsupported but with more features)
for the other 95% of other linux users, the proprietary driver is a much better solution. linux is painful because of the drivers, having a good one at least for one component in your PC is a good thing, it's also the thing to do if you don't want that GPU's abilities to go to waste.
for the other 95% of other linux users, the proprietary driver is a much better solution. linux is painful because of the drivers, having a good one at least for one component in your PC is a good thing, it's also the thing to do if you don't want that GPU's abilities to go to waste.
I know this has been discussed several times with articles concerning the issue as well but from a consumer point of view I encountered this myself. I built a computer for a friend and they are getting a grey screen issue with their 5770. With the fairly dismal Fermi release I've decided to go dual 5770 so I figured instead of troubleshooting or swapping their 5770, I'd get them a GTX260 instead, and I'd take their 5770 for Crossfire.
So I go to newegg, where I buy everything... no 260's. Not even any 275's. In fact, I can't buy anything Nvidia between $110 GTS250 and $350 GTX285. And no lower Fermi parts for quite awhile yet? I guess thankfully Nvidia have a lot of cash to get them through this period but that's pretty bad. No wonder the articles on pissed off partners.
So I go to newegg, where I buy everything... no 260's. Not even any 275's. In fact, I can't buy anything Nvidia between $110 GTS250 and $350 GTX285. And no lower Fermi parts for quite awhile yet? I guess thankfully Nvidia have a lot of cash to get them through this period but that's pretty bad. No wonder the articles on pissed off partners.
But how will nouveau go on without support / documentation (eg by looking at nvidia's open source driver)?
It has been like that here for a long time, most cards are permanently out of stock - I think Charlie was right about GT200 going EOL in ~november - or at least that nvidia doesn't really want to sell them at those prices.
You can remove that "I think" from your statement. (I think they actually served cake over at AMD the day they got that news.)
AMD's bakeries showing signs of strain
anyway, XFX not selling GF100s is quite crazy. They're the "prestigious" brand in southeast asia where EVGA is practically nonexistant and BFG is for wankers (overpriced and underdistributed). Asus and MSI are now the flagship brands, sounds like a pre-3870 ish ATI launch.
Does anyone remember anytime when gpu ihv X surrendered >~$250 market to ihv Y?
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/cat/...l?currFilters=&orderField=prijs&orderSort=asc
€329 (ex shipping) for the 470
€480 (ex shipping) for the 480
At both those prices you'll get no guarantee on a reservation, if you do want something more.. ahem.. trustworthy, you'll take these prices:
€399 and €549.
That's €150 more than a 5850, €70 more than a 5870 for the GTX470
And as a shocker, €20 more than a 5970 for the GTX480. Now who says we can't compare the 480 and 5970? The latter might actually be the cheaper option.
Nvidia has always refused to release specs and tech data so they will do it the same way they did before, by dumping register status on cards running the proprietary driver.
Blazkowicz
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obnoxiously hard reverse engineering and development : they are on their own for 3D support already, or even elaborate 2D functions. so they are doing great work, and because their 2D stuff is now of good quality nvidia can retire the redundant nv driver.
the nv driver really is made for smallest size, smallest features, and not disclosing nvidia's proprietary work.
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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There's always a big blip in pre-orders as people have been waiting to purchase the product when it comes out. Of course the retailers will talk this up to get people to order early, but you have to wait to see what the numbers settle down to, especially if Nvidia has supply problems.
Once ATI brought out their DX11 cards, I imagine that "enthusiasts" stopped buying GT200/b. The lower power chips are much more important to NV I'm sure, considering they are in notebooks as well, so preventing overstock of those big chips probably made sense considering impending Fermi.
What's more interesting to me is that although they supposedly stopped production months ago, I can still find GT200/b boards for sale. Newegg has the GTX 260, 275, 285 in stock. Killing production was smart as there is still inventory apparently.
I bought 2x GTX 275s, one in late January, another in early February. I am definitely an enthusiast, since I have 3 gaming PCs that can play every game on the market with high settings, save for DX11 of course. I buy NV hardware mostly for the general excellent state of software support and flexibility. Namely the fact that most every game just plain works, and I can actually force features like VSync and AA where my roommate who uses a 4870x2 cannot. Also I fold competitively (at least during the winter) and NV hardware is just much faster than ATi in this specific GPGPU application.
itsmydamnation
Veteran
an old e sport, the hord and ocau used to trade blows for 1&2 rank for years, because most of there users had oposite winters ( most of the hord in the USA, most of OCAU in OZ)and clock could be pushed higher. but then the Hord run away and we weren't able to catch them.
If everything just works, why are these games in nV's recent release notes as "Resolved issues" for one fixed bug or another?
196.75
Crysis Warhead
Bioshock 2
Prince of Persia 2
196.21
Risen
Bioshock
Rainbow 6: Vegas 2
Left 4 Dead
(Dirt 2 - SLI profile missing, not a real bug though)
Shattered Horizon
Champions Online
Allied Force Falcon
Crysis Warhead
195.62
Under 1 bug listed Assassin's Creed, Avatar, PES 2010, Far Cry 2
Fallout 3
Soldier of Fortune 2
195.55
Borderlands
Need for Speed: Shift
Dawn of War 2
Gears of War
195.39
Unreal Tournament 3
FarCry 2
League of Legends
Assassin's Creed
Call of Duty
Tomb Raider Underworld
Crysis Warhead
Call of Duty: World at War
And these games under "known issues" for one bug or another
Gothic 1
Gothic 2
Half-Life 2 EP2
Assassin's Creed
Sid Meier's Railroads
Mass Effect
Word in Conflict
Bioshock 2
Lineage 2
FarCry 2
Crysis
World in Conflict - Soviet Assault
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
It's really not any better on either side
Oh, and forcing AA / AF on ATI depends solely on the game, on some games it's disabled due to one or another bug with the game & forced AA / AF
196.75
Crysis Warhead
Bioshock 2
Prince of Persia 2
196.21
Risen
Bioshock
Rainbow 6: Vegas 2
Left 4 Dead
(Dirt 2 - SLI profile missing, not a real bug though)
Shattered Horizon
Champions Online
Allied Force Falcon
Crysis Warhead
195.62
Under 1 bug listed Assassin's Creed, Avatar, PES 2010, Far Cry 2
Fallout 3
Soldier of Fortune 2
195.55
Borderlands
Need for Speed: Shift
Dawn of War 2
Gears of War
195.39
Unreal Tournament 3
FarCry 2
League of Legends
Assassin's Creed
Call of Duty
Tomb Raider Underworld
Crysis Warhead
Call of Duty: World at War
And these games under "known issues" for one bug or another
Gothic 1
Gothic 2
Half-Life 2 EP2
Assassin's Creed
Sid Meier's Railroads
Mass Effect
Word in Conflict
Bioshock 2
Lineage 2
FarCry 2
Crysis
World in Conflict - Soviet Assault
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2
It's really not any better on either side
Oh, and forcing AA / AF on ATI depends solely on the game, on some games it's disabled due to one or another bug with the game & forced AA / AF
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