I do not agree with this. I would think that your thermostat would have to be almost on top of you pc for this to happen. So in a ranch style house if your pc is in a bedroom and the thermostat is in the hallway, or near the livingroom, I would think it would not have much if any effect. Now I have a two story with the thermostat on the main floor, by the living room. My pc at one was in an upstairs bedroom, and now is in the finished basement(kids want their own bedrooms). I am sure this is a fairly common scenario, and would have zero impact on cooling the house. Shoot, I wish it was true, because even with a heating vent the basement is kind of cool. I would take a little bit of extra heat. :smile: Even if there is a thermostat upstairs, it would probably be not close enough to the pc to make a difference. That summer sun has a much larger effect on the ac.
DuckThor Evil
Legend
If a picture of the card would compromise someone today why wouldn't it later if it's the same pic? Why couldn't he just "blur out the detail" and show the pic now if he can do that later. It's not about NDA, but keeping his source safe, or that's what he is saying anyway. I read it as that there is something in the card that would pinpoint the source with great accuracy and not just some number combination code etc.
Only if the heat produced from your PC is magically sealed off from the rest of your house. You know, warm air generally spreads around
Except the room with PC getting hotter
When I leave my PC on for the night my room is about 1-1.5C hotter in the morning than when it's turned off
whitetiger
Newcomer
Only if the heat produced from your PC is magically sealed off from the rest of your house. You know, warm air generally spreads around
Except the room with PC getting hotter
When I leave my PC on for the night my room is about 1-1.5C hotter in the morning than when it's turned off
I agree, if your AC is running then it has to work that little bit harder to get rid of the heat from the PC....
The reverse is also true - when your heating system is running, then it has to work a little bit less hard, because the heat from the PC works to heat your house as well - so this heat is effectively free...
whitetiger
Newcomer
I think all this ferreting around nVidia, trying to get sneaky shots of the new card, and encouraging employees to betray their employers, break their contracts of employment, and risk their jobs, is all a bit sleazy...
And can you imagine what a bore Charlie is a party, showing everyone his picture of a big chip on a pcb ....
But I'm glad to hear that the GK104 is around in large numbers, and should be with us soon!
DuckThor Evil
Legend
Maybe he doesn't have that information or pic of a board layout, but has only seen two cards that are somehow different in a way that would pinpoint the source with good accuracy. Hell I don't know
either it's something like I described, he was asked to keep things under wrap or he has nothing. edit: I'd guess he has something though with him running around with a pic
Maybe he doesn't have that information or pic of a board layout, but has only seen two cards that are somehow different in a way that would pinpoint the source with good accuracy. Hell I don't know
edit: I'd guess he has something though with him running around with a pic
The boards are SO identifiable, they stand out like a Packers fan at a NJ Jets game.
This is getting pretty funny.
"GK104 is really small, really fast, really power-efficient".
"OK, turns out it's not all that fast."
"OK, turns out it's not small either."
What's next?
This is getting pretty funny.
"GK104 is really small, really fast, really power-efficient".
"OK, turns out it's not all that fast."
"OK, turns out it's not small either."
What's next?
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/01/19/nvidia-kepler-vs-amd-gcn-has-a-clear-winner/
It obviously isn't at 290 according to that Lenzfire crap IMHO, but the margin that Charlie gives sounds plausible.
If you'd ask me about which metrics he could have meant in the writeup above I'd say (and no not in random order and for today's situation and not in =/>March):
perf/$
perf/W
perf/mm2
Any supposed difference of say </=10% is still a difference.
Just repeating the lenzfire "specs", already called as fakes (for example because there's simply no way there's such a big performance gap between GK100 (or 110 or whatever it's called this time) and GK104)
Why too much performance gap? Would not the gap expected more or less between 7870 and 7970, ...?
Man from Atlantis
Veteran
IF he's right about die area then NV's transistor density is still lagging behind AMD..
Tahiti 4,31B/365mm2=11,8M per mm2
GK104 3,4B/321-361mm2= 9,42-10,5M per mm2.. Considering Tahiti is 384 bit, it would be even worse if GK104 had 384bit bus
Tahiti 4,31B/365mm2=11,8M per mm2
GK104 3,4B/321-361mm2= 9,42-10,5M per mm2.. Considering Tahiti is 384 bit, it would be even worse if GK104 had 384bit bus
