NVIDIA Kepler speculation thread

[iMacmatician]

If these clocks are the actual speeds of the 770 then I'd say the 680 to 770 transition is a fairly respectable change. It has almost the same core increase and a much higher memory frequency increase compared to the 480 to 570 transition, and keeps the bus width the same. It could also give some hope for a 7 Gbps GK110 part in the future.

Also, assuming that AMD confidential slide is real, how does AMD know the specs of the 770 before its release (I'm genuinely curious), did they get them from the BIOS or something?

 

[tviceman]

Also, assuming that AMD confidential slide is real, how does AMD know the specs of the 770 before its release (I'm genuinely curious), did they get them from the BIOS or something?

I don't know, but anything outside of the very few games that heavily favor GCN (like Dirt Showdown and Sleeping Dogs) the gtx770 at stock speeds will be faster more often than not than the hd7970GE. I imagine the 7970GE will overclock better, but that is an entirely different beast.

 

[Alexko]

Leave it to AMD to compare their top of the line to the competitors 2nd from the top.

The HD7970GE should be compared to the GTX 780 and the HD7950 to the GTX 770.

Price-wise, that's (probably) an appropriate comparison.

Still, I wonder what answer they'll have to the 780.

 

[pjbliverpool]

Leave it to AMD to compare their top of the line to the competitors 2nd from the top.

The HD7970GE should be compared to the GTX 780 and the HD7950 to the GTX 770.

3rd from the top (including Titan). But as Alexko said, its price that will determine whether the comparison is valid. Even if NV do launch the 770 at the 670 price level though, its likely AMD will drop prices to compenstate.

 

[Psycho]

AMD is smoking crack if they think a stock 7970GE is faster than GK104 at 1125 boost and 7000mhz memory. I say if Nvidia can get this product into the same (or very close) TDP as gtx680, and sell it for about (or cheaper than) what gtx680 is going for now, good for them. It's a nice 10-15% performance improvement and is essentially free performance at the same price as current cards.

How would you get a 10-15% general performance increase (system limitations applying) by gaining 6% in boost clock and 16% on memory? The 680 review samples are mostly running around 1100 mhz, we don't know how much higher the 770 will go, but total it should be in 5-10% range - or just about what's needed for nvidia to say it's faster than 7970GE which is kinda the point of this overclock - that's all they need, and it shouldn't get too close to the probably considerably more expensive 780.
But well, performance should be easy to test out now (I thought it was easy to find some factory oc card reviews, but seems they all shy away from substantial memory overclocks).

And why would nvidia sell the brand-new-and-improved (and more expensive to make) 680 for less than the current 680?

 

[lanek]

If these clocks are the actual speeds of the 770 then I'd say the 680 to 770 transition is a fairly respectable change. It has almost the same core increase and a much higher memory frequency increase compared to the 480 to 570 transition, and keeps the bus width the same. It could also give some hope for a 7 Gbps GK110 part in the future.

Also, assuming that AMD confidential slide is real, how does AMD know the specs of the 770 before its release (I'm genuinely curious), did they get them from the BIOS or something?

I dont know, most stock 680 was allready running in the 1100mhz range, ( the initial 1058mhz was mostly there as the low limit ( Just have to find review of stock 680 who give the "real" clock the cards was running during the benchmark ) .
We will need to wait and see if this is the "lower limit" and how work Turbo v2 ( on GK104 ).

Just for the example, the Evga 680 FTW run with 1150mhz boost, the classified is at 1176mhz ( Same goes for Asus and other "OC" cards ).

Other than that, yes, the memory speed will be great and should reduce a bit the bottleneck who could appear in some games. TDP should be around the same level of the actual 680.

 

[UniversalTruth]

The HD7970GE should be compared to the GTX 780 and the HD7950 to the GTX 770.

That would be a terrible defeat for AMD. Why should, if even the 770 is considerably faster and shows the competitor's best product in a really bad light?

Still, I wonder what answer they'll have to the 780.

Something on 20 nm when it is ready

why would nvidia sell the brand-new-and-improved (and more expensive to make) 680 for less than the current 680?

Very simple. Perhaps because they want to sell more parts

 

[jimbo75]

Still, I wonder what answer they'll have to the 780.

They aren't interested as sales of these units are in the tens of thousands at best, and even less for AMD parts at that price. The 7990 will lead the benchmark charts regardless of how bad it really is and AMD will hang on with Tahiti + Never Settle Reloaded until the end of the year, at which point I expect a 25% increase on 28nm to keep them going until the end of 2014.

Nvidia's strategy imo is to add the Titan cooler (on the press edition cards) and push the series models up a pricing level, so the 770 is the old 680 in almost every way except having a better cooler that will allow for better clocks and turbo. The 780 will be priced way out of the 7970 GHz's league.

Charlie has another article up claiming there is still unsold inventory of 680's, if anyone is interested.

 

[Wynix]

GTX770 is only a rebrand of the GTX680

Anyone else find this bit interesting?

Of course it's not proof, but the way in which they worded it seems like rebranding is not what AMD are doing for the 8000 series.

 

[jimbo75]

They are both rebranding but in slightly different ways and for different reasons.

AMD rebranded the 7-series to the 8-series for OEM's because OEM's need to update their numbers every year. They really have no option, this has to happen nowadays, and you won't be able to buy a 8970 off the shelf.

Nvidia is rebranding their 680 into the 770. It's the same same chip that will get a new cooler for press reviews. While it's not a great thing to do, they are at least dropping the model number to 770 instead of naming it the 780 which would just be plain wrong.

The only way for this to remain a viable business strategy is to charge the same price for the 770 as they are for the 680. It is possible that they will drop prices but if they do it's because they are losing desktop sales to AMD due to the success of the Never Settle bundle.

 

[Wynix]

I forgot that some people(not you jimbo) would confuse the two and i am talking specifically about the enthusiast version(non-OEM).

The way in which it's worded: "is only a rebrand of the GTX680" like as if AMD were expecting more or that the GTX770/680 will not be competitive against their 8950 model.

It's not enough to go on, but it does seem like AMD are extra confident about their next series compared to what Nvidia will have on offer.

IF this slide is real anyway.

 

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

Price-wise, that's (probably) an appropriate comparison.

If that is so then AMD will have to price their HD7970GE for around $360.

The GTX 770 is also expected to cost about 360 euro for stock non-overclocked cards

http://www.fudzilla.com/home/item/31373-geforce-gtx-780-to-sell-from-500-to-600-euro

Still, I wonder what answer they'll have to the 780.

This year, none.

 

[jimbo75]

If that is so then AMD will have to price their HD7970GE for around $360.

Read again, he said euros. That's $470.

 

[Kaotik]

A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y, 360€ is nearly $470

 

[madyasiwi]

IF this slide is real anyway.

What makes you think that the slide isn't authentic?

Do you know anyone else that makes comparison chart with scale starting from 90%?

 

[DuckThor Evil]

I don't know if there is any truth to the 360€ mark, but if there is, it will translate closer to $360 than $470 that's for sure. If it's €360 then at most it will translate to $399.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Rebrands are okay for me as long as they are not deceiving. If you get more performance for less money, it's okay.

 

[tviceman]

Anyone else find this bit interesting?

Of course it's not proof, but the way in which they worded it seems like rebranding is not what AMD are doing for the 8000 series.

The gtx570 was essentially a rebranded gtx480. I don't remember anyone complaining about that.

 

[A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y]

A1xLLcqAgt0qc2RyMz0y, 360€ is nearly $470

360€ includes VAT. US prices closely mirror EURO prices one-to-one. So 360€ in Europe, $360 in US.

Nvidia's recommended retail price is 1,000 euro, which can likely be translated to $1,000.

http://us.hardware.info/news/33523/nvidia-to-introduce-geforce-gtx-titan-on-thursday

 

[AlexV]

Re-hashing the same tired debate for the billionth time, with the same passions for one IHV or another that prohibit any novel thought making it in, is neither speculative, nor interesting and definitely not fit for Kepler speculation. There are doom & gloom threads for the specific reason of containing this.