NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation

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  1. fellix

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    Might only be HD4xxx series then. But yes throttling was there as in software based profile. If ATI detected default exe name of Furmark it loaded a profile that in turn limited the GPU usage to in the end throttle temps. PWMs hitting 125c or beyond cant be having a good time, atleast not those and GPU parts exceeeding 100c is also quite something to throttle, no?

    I could just imagine the face of someone doing a bench run with fans below 40%... ;) :lol:
     
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    His final point was more relevant. Just cranking up the tessellation isn't necessarily useful. It depends on the content and resolution.
     
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    Sure! But resolution (and let's add screen size here too) isn't something that can't be changed without developer/vendor intervention. As for content - well, if you have content which is supposed to be tesselated in-game you can always prepare it for several tessellation lods. It is not that much harder than doing just one detail level once your infrastructure is ready for tessellation use in general.
    Saying that there won't be any games this year which will take advantage of GF100's tessellation abilities is quite bold. From my point of view there is pretty high possibility of getting such games before 2010 ends. Pushing high-level tessellation into DX11 applications should be much simplier task for NV's devrel team than pushing PhysX ever was. After all it is an industry standard feature which is supported by both major players now.
     
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    Perhaps but if you had a choice of extreme tessellation 25FPS with little visible differences compared with 45FPS tessellation, which would you pick?

    I'd really like to see the difference between extreme and normal Heaven 2.0 actually
     
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    HD4870 using reference components, and I'd assume 4890 too, is specced to function normally up to 125C temps, so ye, anything over it is bad :razz:
     
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    Yeah, I'm looking forward to lots of tessellation done right - glad NVidia's not shirked away from making the hardware good.

    Jawed
     
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    "Done right" or "overdone right"?
    Sure, every bit of extra tesselation is good, but diminishing returns are huge, too.
    I mean, I know several cases from for example AvP, who have played with tesselation enabled and disabled, and don't really see any difference at all, due the fact that mostly character/enemy models are tesselated and those aliens jump at you at such high speeds
     
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    psolord's comment that you replied to said nothing about there not being games to take advantage of tessellation. He said Unigine's extreme tessellation level was in his opinion more than is necessary. It's easy to tessellate the hell out of something. It's more difficult to have the visual difference be worth the cost.
     
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    Some benches..

    Not sure if posted yet. This forum has a poster with some of NV benches.

    http://image3.it168.com//2010/3/26/19ab9fe2-338b-4df7-9de5-3a50a09bcaac.jpg
    http://image3.it168.com//2010/3/26/aaf5d2fc-7d9d-49e8-960b-19f17ba2205b.jpg
    http://image3.it168.com//2010/3/26/0c3e1fa0-55a8-424e-8235-15d5f96d7722.jpg
    http://image3.it168.com//2010/3/26/62cfb843-8271-4cba-afcf-81a4f057d3ff.jpg
    http://image3.it168.com//2010/3/26/e597d9f3-a930-4efc-b9dc-daa17aa656a3.jpg
    http://image3.it168.com//2010/3/26/5ab042d6-1923-4ccf-95d4-745cfaea564d.jpg
     
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    It's not like GF100 will become slower with less tesselation.

    Normal:
    [​IMG]

    Extreme:
    [​IMG]
     
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    You misunderstand what I meant.

    If uber tessellation (with the appropriate speed penalty) doesn't yield much visual differences, then having an higher FPS is preferable.


    @the images
    Extreme looks a lot nicer since they've put much more tessellation into the roof tiles. But it's more like they took out tessellation altogether for the roof tiles for normal.

    I recall from earlier wireframe images that they've put a ton more triangles into the dragon and the cobblestones as well though and the difference there isn't nearly as pronounced in these images (for the number of triangles).

    Seems rather disingenuous to me unless I'm overlooking something?
     
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    and thats the itx bench so far
     
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    One of the first things they showed off at the PAX event was folding@home, not a good sign. :razz:
     
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