NVIDIA GF100 & Friends speculation

[WeiT.235]

N10E-GLM = GT215 (ye olde D10P) if I'm not mistaken.. that's a bit weird in this context.

It was alleged to be 500$ per chip.

 

[KimB]

$500 for the chip alone is just not possible.

 

[Silus]

The usual price in Euro-lands is obtained simply by changing the $ in front of the given number with a €.

So in essence, the card could be $450 (or €450 in Europe).

Update: Ninja'd I see.

That's correct. Sometimes it's $450 to 450 euros + something more. The high-end is exceedingly expensive in Europe.

 

[neliz]

$500 for the chip alone is just not possible.

GT200 was $100-$120 after a couple of months of production, it might certainly go that direction fast though.

 

[Silus]

$500 for the chip alone is just not possible.

Everything is possible in the land of FUD and disinformation

 

[Alexko]

There was a post not so long ago, talking anout 599$ for the 480. In France at least, the change conversion gives 1$=1€.

And in France the official price of a 5870 is 359€

In the US it sells for about $399 (even $409 on Newegg). That's not 1$=1€!

That is correct

You mean "that is correct" as in "that is what the picture shows" or "that is the real size"?

 

[MfA]

That's correct. Sometimes it's $450 to 450 euros + something more. The high-end is exceedingly expensive in Europe.

Is the 5970 high end enough? EU vs USA.

I don't know why you guys get screwed so much on price ... but it's just you :/

 

[rpg.314]

So MSRP for the 5870 is €300, MSRP for the GTX480 would be €450 according to Fuad. Take the 470 performing a bit below the 5870 and priced about equally. What's this about competition driving the prices down?

So, about 2 more months of *very* profitable cypress and juniper sales (till the messiah-ic B1 arrives).

 

[WeiT.235]

$500 for the chip alone is just not possible.

$500 would probably the initial cost of the earlier production. The guy who leaked the information is said to work in certain AIC in China. He has claimed he is in trouble now...

 

[rpg.314]

$500 for the chip alone is just not possible.

Testing/packaging often costs 30-50% of the die cost itself. Taking it to be 40%, it comes to $357 per working die. At $5000 per 40nm wafer, it comes to ~14 chips per wafer. As per Theo's estimate of 94 dies per wafer, that is <15% yield. Certainly an improvement over the 2% figure. :smile:

Overall, $500 per chip is way too high.

 

[rpg.314]

GT200 was $100-$120 after a couple of months of production, it might certainly go that direction fast though.

But that was on an older and hence very mature process, wasn't it?

 

[Evildeus]

Is the 5970 high end enough? EU vs USA.

I don't know why you guys get screwed so much on price ... but it's just you :/

And? I do see a 1 to 1 conversion on MSRP, so what's your point?

 

[neliz]

And? I do see a 1 to 1 conversion on MSRP, so what's your point?

it says €523 versus $671 for me though. which is 1!=1

 

[Psycho]

I guess the heat spreader is going around the package - so we can't assume the border of the naked chips is 41mm, right? (for measurements - need a reference..)

 

[Evildeus]

it says €523 versus $671 for me though. which is 1!=1

You are comparing retail price, i'm comparing MSRP prices which are 695€ and 699$

 

[Ailuros]

GT200 was $100-$120 after a couple of months of production, it might certainly go that direction fast though.

Really? At 62.5% yields in the first month of its production it was nowhere near any ludicrous manufacturing cost some want to imagine.

 

[MfA]

At $5000 per 40nm wafer

TSMC doesn't have that many customers at cutting edge processes, it has to fill the pipeline ... I would assume they are swallowing at least some of the costs though discounts.

Overall, $500 per chip is way too high.

I think it's perfectly possible and entirely irrelevant. This initial batch of sales will be a pittance compared to the sunk cost for NVIDIA regardless of yields ... the manufacturing costs per chip of the respin are going to be important.

 

[DeF]

375 euros for a HD 5870 ? Must be in his country. In mine, it's very rare to find one for less than 400 euros. The HD 5970 is well above 600 euros. 450 euros for the GTX 480 certainly suggests that it's not that much faster than the HD 5870 overall.

In Poland HD 5870 is ~360€ (all brands sale for 1400PLN) with good availability and we have 22% VAT. HD 5970 sales for 580€ to 600€ which seems to be a bit too much. Generally prices in other EU countries seem to be very similar.
But i agree that 450€ for GTX 480 suggests its not that much faster than HD 5870. I am guessing 10% to 30% depending on benchmark.

 

[KimB]

Testing/packaging often costs 30-50% of the die cost itself. Taking it to be 40%, it comes to $357 per working die. At $5000 per 40nm wafer, it comes to ~14 chips per wafer. As per Theo's estimate of 94 dies per wafer, that is <15% yield. Certainly an improvement over the 2% figure. :smile:

Overall, $500 per chip is way too high.

Well, I don't think testing/packaging scale with die cost, so we'd be talking much closer to $500 than $357 die cost. Figure $450 as a nice round figure. That would put it at around an 11% yield.

But regardless, nVidia can't sell their chips for that much, so they certainly aren't going to go into production with chips that cost around $500. A chip that sells for $500, after all, could only be placed in a video card that sold for somewhere in the ballpark of $1000, and that would require some pretty insane performance to sell at all.

 

[MfA]

And? I do see a 1 to 1 conversion on MSRP, so what's your point?

Could you link the MSRPs for 5970 Euro prices?