470 had better be decently (10% minimum) faster than 5870 overall, other wise it'll take a financial arm or two on nv's part to price 470 next to 5870. But yeah, price wars are good.
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470 had better be decently (10% minimum) faster than 5870 overall, other wise it'll take a financial arm or two on nv's part to price 470 next to 5870. But yeah, price wars are good.
1GB vram limit HD5870 performance at 2560X1600.ATI probably will release HD5870 2GB to fix it,just like HD4870 1G after HD4870 512MB.
The google translates "extremly hot" temperatures in 3dmark vantage. And thats the gtx470.
The cards doesnt have the pcb cut outs just for fun it seems.
aaronspink
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And how many system vendors use that card in their system? The system vendor generally don't like to spend money unless they have to and going above 2x6 pin requires then to use a case with better cooling and use a much beefier power supply.
Powercolor (i think it was them) just showed off a 5770 with no power connectors and passively cooled, now that's something system vendors will love.
Who cares about "extremly hot" as long the card is running quite.
Hot means higher RMA rate.
chavvdarrr
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No, IMHO he thinks that someone posting these results here is "confirmation".
And what about Catalytic and accusations that test settings for 470 were High not UltraHigh and the author later edited pictures?
Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Who says it's quiet? Last thing I read was "noticable, but not annoying". To me that's pretty subjective. I have a quiet machine, and a graphics card should be inaudible on idle, and barely audible when playing games, or else it's not acceptable to me.
Noise is very important to a lot of people nowadays, and the 5850 and 5870 are very quiet for the performance you get - you can barely hear them even under load, and most you get a "shhh" noise of airflow. That is the standard that Nvidia will have to match, but I suspect their power requirements are bumping the heat output and thus the fan noise required to cool it.
As not many others have suggested the 470 is "significantly hotter", this could be a higher clocked card.
Well, the 5870 I have is quite loud when running at full throttle -- surely louder than for instance a Quadro FX 5800 at peak. I assume that the GTX 480 will run at a similar noise level, which gives them quite some headroom
Of course, in idle, it's silent, but under full load it's clearly annoyingly loud.Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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Well, the 5870 I have is quite loud when running at full throttle -- surely louder than for instance a Quadro FX 5800 at peak. I assume that the GTX 480 will run at a similar noise level, which gives them quite some headroom
Better case/cooling/airflow? Is it a standard fan/HS or one of the AIB differentiators? I know that even the 4870 fan is ridiculously loud at 100 percent, but even under load, it never reaches 50 percent in decent airflow.
Initial reports say Fermi runs hot even at idle, and so needs a lot of fan all the time.
Silent_Buddha
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Well, the 5870 I have is quite loud when running at full throttle -- surely louder than for instance a Quadro FX 5800 at peak. I assume that the GTX 480 will run at a similar noise level, which gives them quite some headroom
Have the opposite situation here, at load my 5870 rarely ever tops 35% fan speed which is almost inaudible in my case. And with a 30" monitor it drives a harder load than most.
Although to be fair if I still lived out at the family ranch where there is virtually no ambient noise at night it might be fairly noticeable. Then again the 8800 GTX (a very quiet card) is also screamingly loud out there.Regards,
SB
That's probably just due to an immature BIOS or something. There's no reason it should draw (and therefore dissipate) much power in idle, especially since the GTX 280 and 285 already have fairly reasonable idle power.
I fully expect NVIDIA to improve on that with this generation, just as AMD has.
This is a beautiful strategy! Post an bench screen here - go to another forum and say it's "confirmed by B3D" then come back here and use that to legitimize the original. LOL.
Anyone running 10.3 betas? Are they really "Catalytic"?
Silent_Buddha
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Do we know if Fermi is going to use a seperate chip for 2D operations again? I'm assuming they probably would to reduce die size, but do we know for sure?
Regards,
SB
Haven't you seen the PCB shots posted all over the place?
In other news - Theo is venting at Nvidia over on Twitter. Apparently he took some pics at CeBit and got some shit for it. Funny stuff.
In other news - Theo is venting at Nvidia over on Twitter. Apparently he took some pics at CeBit and got some shit for it. Funny stuff.
You betcha! ATI's biggest secret now unveiled: Catalyst to be re-branded at Catalytic! You read it here first...and I'm off to start the counter to see how long it takes for "Catalytic" to be tagged as confirmed by B3D.
DavidGraham
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I said it is GTX 470 based upon this picture :
They also mentioned that it was GTX 470 in the thread .. , after I posted the pictures I saw that GTX 4X0 results had an "Optimal" Quality setting instead of "Ultra" and scored 44 FPS .. I rechecked the source thread and found out that they updated the picture with the "Ultra Quality" and the GTX 4X0 score decreased to 40 FPS !
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