NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50-series Blackwell Availability

I seem like the only that brings this up the online discourse overly inflates retail DIY in terms of how it represents the market as whole. Best Buy has RTX 50xx prebuilts ready to ship. Major OEMs have RTX 50xx prebuilts listed on their website.

GPU shipments I'd also guess from Nvidia's perspective isn't the same as graphics cards shipments much less sales to end users. If Asus has say 100k GPU that they are currently assembling and still working through the channel that's 100k shipments from Nvidia's perspective but not sales from the end user perspective.

I know there's this broader discourse about the possible marginalization of gaming given Nvidia's growth in other areas but I think what people should really be looking at is the even smaller slice of that with DIY retail, or the even smaller sub slice of the traditional enthusiast space.
 
I think folks just assume there’s some correlation between OEM volume and DIY volume so if retail is a wasteland it must be the case for OEM too. Of course that could be an extremely wrong assumption and maybe the vast majority of launch volume goes to OEMs as that has more far reaching impact in their ability to ship entire systems.

With respect to Nvidia abandoning gaming that narrative is a great example of contemporary outrage culture permeating everything with a healthy dose of entitlement on top. Yeah the company that’s invested the most heavily in gaming hardware and software and has 80%+ of the gaming market is abandoning gamers. It’s so dumb.
 
Unexpectedly, Canada Computers in (Surprise, Canada!) has a bunch of 5000 series in stock this afternoon. Mostly only in store for in store purchases, but even a couple 5070s can be purchased online for immediate shipment. Pricing is still not great and they're mostly the above-MSRP premium cards, but it's still a lot better than their RDNA4 inventory, which is also sold out of the XT SKUs entirely, and only seems to be a few premium above-MSRP non-XT models left.
 
Nvidia’s logistics pipeline is tuned for much higher volumes than AMD’s. Once they’ve figured out whatever bottleneck they’re dealing with the stock situation should return to normal. AMD doesn’t seem interested in sacrificing margins to spur sales so I don’t expect market share this generation will look much different than the last.

AMD’s opportunity rests on whether Nvidia is unable to meet market demand.
 
I think folks just assume there’s some correlation between OEM volume and DIY volume so if retail is a wasteland it must be the case for OEM too. Of course that could be an extremely wrong assumption and maybe the vast majority of launch volume goes to OEMs as that has more far reaching impact in their ability to ship entire systems.

Retail isn't/wasn't the wasteland as it's being/was perceived to be. Even with the early reports it was evident that retailers were doing inventory management (as a nicer term) on their own end, with many who double as system builders allocating inventory to those builds. From what I remember for example OCuk had RTX 5080 systems at 1-2 weeks out but single GPUs orders with much longer wait times after the initial batch. I also recall some retailer having their website crawled indicating 0 retail 5080 units but quite a lot of 5080 systems.

Otherwise in terms of broader allocation dynamics we know for instance Nvidia has already been shipping 50xx series GPUs out for laptops, something I'm guessing AMD is not likely doing so with their allotments (and almost certainly nowhere near the same ratio).

Just using hypothetical numbers to illustrate this issue if we assume going by previous market share ratios let's say Nvidia ships 80k GPUs and AMD ships 20k. But Nvidia's 80k is split between 10k retail, 15k SI, 15k OEM, 40K mobile while AMD's is split as 15k retail and 5k SI who shipped more? Well that depends on perspective.

With respect to Nvidia abandoning gaming that narrative is a great example of contemporary outrage culture permeating everything with a healthy dose of entitlement on top. Yeah the company that’s invested the most heavily in gaming hardware and software and has 80%+ of the gaming market is abandoning gamers. It’s so dumb.

Just to clarify what I was referring to here. When people are discussing the marginalization of gaming for AI I think what they need to keep in mind that their demographic isn't even representative of gaming for Nvidia. We can forget about AI for moment and just look at how important the market demographic they belong to just in terms of gaming/consumer Geforce products for Nvidia. That would actually like paint an even more dire situation as rather than being 10% of Nvidia's revenue, you're looking at maybe 1%.

To be more specific I'm referring to the lesser importance of the demographic that places high importance on content from the likes of HUB, Gamer's Nexus, Computerbase (the kind that would also do their survey) and etc. and in the past maybe sites like HardOCP. And by extension the marketing priority Nvidia places on marketing to those demographics compared to say AMD due to the relative importance of each just for their gaming GPU products.

We've seen this for awhile now with Nvidia marketing outside of the traditional tech enthusiast space. Youtubers like Marques Brownlee for example cover Geforce products, but I'm guessing they are not covering AMD much less Intel GPU launches. I don't follow all this other stuff but I'd wager Nvidia has more marketing presence across all media/social media spaces. Even places like Digital Foundry do not serve the same traditional enthusiast space as the hardware techtubers/sites I mentioned earlier, and Nvidia is partnering more with outlets like in terms of coverage.
 
Which retailers? Post something official saying that.


Countless?
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...be-reviews-no-competitor-discussion.18960249/ 4090 launch
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ng-to-buy-a-50-series.18998084/#post-37602115 5090 launch

As for countless, I obviously can't quote unofficial talks with nordic retailers, but that's just few
etc etc etc
(don't read just headlines, read the articles, and yes, I can post a lot more of similar news/links/etc)
 
Just using hypothetical numbers to illustrate this issue if we assume going by previous market share ratios let's say Nvidia ships 80k GPUs and AMD ships 20k. But Nvidia's 80k is split between 10k retail, 15k SI, 15k OEM, 40K mobile while AMD's is split as 15k retail and 5k SI who shipped more? Well that depends on perspective.

We can’t know the actual numbers but several tubers have claimed they have contacts at retailers including desktop SIs who’ve confirmed the dire state of 50 series shipments. Dell seems to have stock though with lead times for both 40 and 50 series around 2 weeks.

Just to clarify what I was referring to here. When people are discussing the marginalization of gaming for AI I think what they need to keep in mind that their demographic isn't even representative of gaming for Nvidia. We can forget about AI for moment and just look at how important the market demographic they belong to just in terms of gaming/consumer Geforce products for Nvidia. That would actually like paint an even more dire situation as rather than being 10% of Nvidia's revenue, you're looking at maybe 1%.

Sure the online enthusiast community for most products represents a tiny minority of the actual consumer base. GPUs are no different. So yeah maybe what they (we?) think doesn’t matter at all.

To be more specific I'm referring to the lesser importance of the demographic that places high importance on content from the likes of HUB, Gamer's Nexus, Computerbase (the kind that would also do their survey) and etc. and in the past maybe sites like HardOCP. And by extension the marketing priority Nvidia places on marketing to those demographics compared to say AMD due to the relative importance of each just for their gaming GPU products.

Yeah I don’t know that a majority of DIY buyers watch those guys or participate in forums etc. Maybe they get all their recommendations from Twitch streamers or something. You have to assume though that Nvidia values their influence sufficiently to make its people available to DF and GN for interviews. If anything Nvidia prioritizes those guys more than AMD does. If I’m not mistaken Intel and Nvidia have done all of the recent interviews with tubers. Has AMD done anything similar?

We've seen this for awhile now with Nvidia marketing outside of the traditional tech enthusiast space. Youtubers like Marques Brownlee for example cover Geforce products, but I'm guessing they are not covering AMD much less Intel GPU launches. I don't follow all this other stuff but I'd wager Nvidia has more marketing presence across all media/social media spaces. Even places like Digital Foundry do not serve the same traditional enthusiast space as the hardware techtubers/sites I mentioned earlier, and Nvidia is partnering more with outlets like in terms of coverage.

Linus is the juggernaut in the PC YouTuber space though and he covers AMD just as much as Nvidia. So it’s not really clear to me why so many people still buy Nvidia when every influencer is warning them away. It’s not like Nvidia is doing TV and radio ads. All their stuff is on YouTube too. The Geforce YouTube channel only has 1.2m subscribers compared to GN with 2.4m and Linus with 16m!!

What’s clear is that online sentiment isn’t reflected in sales. The mystery is how Nvidia marketing is getting through to all those people.
 
Linus is the juggernaut in the PC YouTuber space though and he covers AMD just as much as Nvidia. So it’s not really clear to me why so many people still buy Nvidia when every influencer is warning them away. It’s not like Nvidia is doing TV and radio ads. All their stuff is on YouTube too. The Geforce YouTube channel only has 1.2m subscribers compared to GN with 2.4m and Linus with 16m!!
Because couple channels won't undo 25+ years of extremely succesful marketing no matter what they do

NVIDIA could probably do couple gens of clearly worse products compared to competition before it would have any real effect on anything
 
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it’s not really clear to me why so many people still buy Nvidia when every influencer is warning them away.
In previous generations, NVIDIA had the upper hand technically (visuals, performance, features). So people weren't convinced the GPUs were bad, just the price might be bad. Lower end cards had bad VRAM capacity, but people buying these don't care.

In this generation, not much has changed, AMD closed the gap in several aspects, but the trio of (visuals, performance, featufes) is still firmly in NVIDIA's hands. The price situation has gotten worse, but it remains to be seen if this will affect people's perception.
 
So people weren't convinced the GPUs were bad, just the price might be bad.
The problem is still the same: the prices aren't bad either, they are only bad in the heads of said influencers who think that they should be lower without providing anything solid this opinion should be based on. The market shows that people don't think that the prices are bad so there is literally no reasons to avoid buying the cards. The disconnect between the market and these techtubers is becoming more if anything now.
 
What’s clear is that online sentiment isn’t reflected in sales. The mystery is how Nvidia marketing is getting through to all those people.
if the layperson needs a computer, they'll walk into a store like Best Buy (in the US) and see what's on offer. Nvidia floods the market so there is wall-to-wall prebuilts/laptops with Nvidia offering. AMD doesn't do the same, so the difference (if a person can find an AMD option) is its own marketing
 
if the layperson needs a computer, they'll walk into a store like Best Buy (in the US) and see what's on offer. Nvidia floods the market so there is wall-to-wall prebuilts/laptops with Nvidia offering. AMD doesn't do the same, so the difference (if a person can find an AMD option) is its own marketing
I think a large portion gaming PCs are laptops, and I don't know if there is such a thing as AMD mobile GPUs. Google "AMD gaming laptop" and all the results are either IGP or have NVIDIA GPUs lol.

Okay even if I search "laptop with AMD gpu" it's hard to find anything. Same with "Radeon laptop". If I go to Newegg -> Gaming Laptops -> GPU/VPU=Radeon and tick sold by Newegg, there are.... zero results.

Prebuilt desktops are only slightly better. For this major SI, 2/22 models are Radeon, or rather 91% of their offerings are NVIDIA:
 
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https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...be-reviews-no-competitor-discussion.18960249/ 4090 launch
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...ng-to-buy-a-50-series.18998084/#post-37602115 5090 launch

As for countless, I obviously can't quote unofficial talks with nordic retailers, but that's just few
etc etc etc
(don't read just headlines, read the articles, and yes, I can post a lot more of similar news/links/etc)
None of those support your statement that “retailers don’t agree with the numbers”.
 
if the layperson needs a computer, they'll walk into a store like Best Buy (in the US) and see what's on offer. Nvidia floods the market so there is wall-to-wall prebuilts/laptops with Nvidia offering. AMD doesn't do the same, so the difference (if a person can find an AMD option) is its own marketing

Is that also the case for the $600+ segment? I assume a significant % of 5070s and 5080s are DIY purchases.

In other news there have been overpriced ASUS 5070s in stock for about 24 hours at Newegg and Amazon. Guess nobody wants those.
 
Is that also the case for the $600+ segment? I assume a significant % of 5070s and 5080s are DIY purchases.

In other news there have been overpriced ASUS 5070s in stock for about 24 hours at Newegg and Amazon. Guess nobody wants those.

The last numbers I saw say the home market is 9% of PC sales, with home builders being a small fraction of that.

Anecdotal - I know two adults and two kids that have assembled their own PCs. Everyone else - including me - buys off the shelf or CTO.
 
Huang said that nVidia shipped nearly 3x more Blackwell chips than Hopper 2024. So there is the answer why there is barely any Blackwell gaming chips on the market.
 
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