G98 = D8M, G92 = D8P, G1xx = D9x, so yes, they're different
nvidia "D8E" High End solution, what can we expect in 2008?
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G98 = D8M, G92 = D8P, G1xx = D9x, so yes, they're different
Another example:
NB8E ist G84 with NB8E-SE -> 8700M-GT and G92 with NB8E-GTX -> 8800M-GTX...
I would not be suprised if a higher-clocked G92 is D9E-SE/GTS or something.
I'd suspect D9P is basically D8P with GDDR4. It might be the same chip and spin, or it might be a new spin, or even a new chip. The latter is very unlikely though, IMO.
As for G92's die size, unless you know what they changed in terms of redundancy mechanisms between G8x and G9x, I don't think you can really say whether that die size is normal or not. Furthermore, NVIO alone should be ~15mm² I think, independently of process node.
As for G92's die size, unless you know what they changed in terms of redundancy mechanisms between G8x and G9x, I don't think you can really say whether that die size is normal or not. Furthermore, NVIO alone should be ~15mm² I think, independently of process node.
What about a optical shrink to 55nm?
Imo this should be possible for a launch in Q2-Q3 08, where I would expect D9P and would it make easier to go <$249 with keeping a high margin.
But there are also rumors about a G94, which was renamed to G96(remember Foxconn was stating 88GT has a G96).
Imo this should be possible for a launch in Q2-Q3 08, where I would expect D9P and would it make easier to go <$249 with keeping a high margin.
But there are also rumors about a G94, which was renamed to G96(remember Foxconn was stating 88GT has a G96).
Do you think they could change codename for GDDR4 card?? I don`t think so - there will be more improvements in comparison to D8P IMO. I hope so....
DegustatoR
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Highly doubtful. If anything, this naming scheme should provide some information on the retail names, and x9y should be GF9. And GF9 should be something more than GF8 with a little bit faster RAM slaped on it.
I think that 9th generation cards will use G1x0+ chips with 10.1 support and some other architectural improvements.
But then again it's such a mess with NV codenames right now that 9th generation can use G7x chips for all we know =)
I think Jen had too much fun one night and woke up with 8800 tattoos all over his body. As such, years from now we will probably be discussing whether you should buy the new D12E-based... 8800 GTS or pick up the seconds D11P-based... 8800GTS. Of course, if you are on a budget nothing will beat the D10P-based... 8800 GTS, except maybe the somewhat rare D10E-based... 8800GTS.
http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20071129PD216.html
If true (Digitimes has been proven wrong in the past), then that means there will be no G92 "GX2", since it doesn't make sense against the D9E.
However, February seems like an unusual date for a brand new Geforce family to appear.
It's not like Nvidia to have it out in the middle of the Winter, instead of the usual late Spring/early Summer or around October/November.
DegustatoR
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Yeah, looks like no GX2 on G92s then. And it's great! 
But what chip will G9E use?
But what chip will G9E use?
Jawed
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With one key difference: Process Technology.
If you'll recall, G71 had a number of variants (7900 GS/GTGTX/GTO/7950 GT/7900 GX2/7950 GX2, plus their mobile parts), all based on the same 90nm core.
Yet, unlike even the previous 110nm G70 (7800 GT/7800 GTX/GTX 512), or the current 65nm G92 in D8P (8800 GT) and D8E (8800 GTS 512), this bit of news states that the performance part (D9P) will be arriving later on a 55nm process, so it can't be the same 65nm core from D9E.
Having what is likely to be a huge die on 65nm performing merely top-of-line duties seems like a pretty expensive move to me, as even the 90nm G80 was offered simultaneously in a cut down form with the 8800 GTS 320MB/640MB line.
This is why i still have doubts about the accuracy of some details in this report.
Jawed
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I think it's reasonable to assume that D9E was due to have launched by now. I also assume that the D9P 55nm part will be launching as per its original schedule (as a comparison point: it seems to me that 55nm at TSMC hasn't been pushed back merely because 65nm was difficult, for ATI - so NVidia may have the same luck).
So, some time after that, D9E 55nm will take its turn, say 6-9 months after the originally scheduled launch of 65nm D9E. 6 months would be May/June, coincidental with D9P, so, erm, maybe more like 9 months?
Jawed
R680 will coming in this January,so the question will it rival ready as well ? No matter its D8E or D9E nividia have to release a new graphic card.Its believed that R680 is faster than 8800 Ultra.Nvidia cant lose the crown.
Even ATi's marketing slides place it at only 15% over the Ultra. In case CF works, if it doesn't you're stuck with a somewhat slower 3870. Factoring those two, unless they've figured out a way of ensuring consistent scaling without waiting for months for profiles, the R680 won't be a major concern for nV. It will more likely be a statement from the AMD Graphics Division(there, finally said it like it should be said) that they're still looking at high-end performance, and that they'll go to multi-GPUs to tackle that.
Still, if they decide to follow the pricing strategy of the R600 and keep R680 below 400 dollars it may still have a fairly good chance to have the market for itself in that slot, since D9E will likely be way more expensive (8800 GTX/Ultra territory) and the performance-midrange D9P will not be arriving until next Summer.
That is, of course, assuming that this new "in between" 8800 GTS 512MB can't match a R680 in the real world apps which, when taking into account possible Crossfire driver problems and overhead, can't yet be determined to its full extent.
Agreed. But that's a rather big if...if they price it at 499, you're already moving into dangerous territory, it may end-up competing with a cheaper Ultra/GTX...and we can't forget the fact that they still seem to have major issues with DX10. And the overall flimsiness of Crossfire. Overall, I don't think that this'll end up being more than a statement of intent. Probably the R700 will be their true attempt at getting back to the battle of the titans...if AMD doesn't change ownership and focus by then>.
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