Nvidia CEO: working on something twice as fast?

as you all know, in the recent Nvidia conference, the well spoken CEO
mentioned they're working on something twice as fast as GFFX for, for the laster part of this year. of course its NV35. assuming that it is indeed NV35..probably to be named GeForceFX2.. what does twice as fast imply?

to me, it implys one or all of the following things:

*twice the vertex shading performance with more vertex math units.

ala NV20>NV25. since NV30 is highly scalable and modular according to various articles, this should be relatively easy. even easier than adding a second vertex shader to NV20 to make NV25. twice the vertex math units
as GFFX would be a nice help.

*256-Bit bus- twice the bandwidth. pretty straight forward here. it would be almost laughable if NV35 stuck with 128-bits

* 2nd TMU per pipe.
yeah this has been speculated on endlessly for R300, NV30, R350 and now NV35. it seems very unlikely. but this would give Nvidia twice the texturing power in older games. but it probably wont have it. it seems
the 'more TMUs is better' war was finished with Parhelia.

things that CEO probably did NOT mean:
*twice the pipelines. no way NV35 is going to be 16 pipes
*twice the MHz for the core. no way is NV35 going to be 1 GHz


I believe NV35 will be an 8:1, running at 550-600 Mhz with twice the vertex math units, a 256-bit bus, DDRII, and probably the same shader
version as NV30. thus no V.S./P.S. 3.0. - twice the bandwidth and twice the vertex power would be enough to say that NV35 is twice as fast as NV30 as far as Nv is concerned.
 
Twice as fast, 4 times the delay. :) I wonder if we will see this new card at the end of this year, or more likely in the middle of next year.

later,
 
They're gonna have to do alot better than twice as fast if they're refering to PS2.0!
I expect they're really refering to twice as fast PR! ;)
 
This is the time honored tradition known as- marketing.

When you cant deliver the goods, the only last resort you have to thwart your competition from gaining sales is to start hyping vaporware.

We saw this all throughout last year.. get ready to see it again this year. The interesting thing about this year though will be how many Anand's and other sources will buy into it and otherwise taint reviews for competing products on nothing but hot air.
 
I think if one weighs those 'claims' against 1) the GFFX Ultra claims, 2) no Ultras will be sold retail (pre-order only for Ultra) & 3) leave 3DM03 out of the picture > they may make a 2x of the GFFX non-Ultra in certain other benchs. 2x the Ultra? Nah, they'll claim it wasn't 'production retail' shipped & sold & therefore that isn't what they meant.

If you consider nVidia's recent remarks about 3DM03 > I think you're on the 'mark' w/more VS & no change in PS, not 2x the VS abilities tho' ... IMHO.

500-600mhz core, 256-bit (HAS to be!), 256mb & 128mb DDRII @ ~800-850mhz (at release) & an outside sub-contracter for the cooling solution. CoolMaster, Akasa, etc.

It'll have a limited user base in this economy tho'. :LOL:

just me & my .02
 
i seriously wish, NV would just shut up, and let their hardware do the talking for them.

I could care less about the NV35.. its the R400 im waiting for :devilish:
 
Twice as fast sounds rather disappointing to me considering that their early claims have been closer to 5-7x the speed of previous generations in certain applications, when introducing GF3 etc in the past...
 
ATI is also working on something twice as fast also. Kind of goes without saying. Now if it was 5 times as fast that would be news! :LOL:

All this bad PR from nVidia in such a short timeframe. What is going on in Santa Clara???
 
Could well be over twice as fast in some situations based on specs, yeah. Said this before, but I really hope they resist the temptation to equip it with a dustbuster (of sorts) and shoot for a more conservative clockspeed, say 550-600MHz. Having said that, if they develop a quiet, highly efficient cooling solution and hit 650MHz+ then that'd be pretty neat and they'll have a nice flagship until ATi shoves R400 up their ass.

NV35 has *alot* of fixes/optimisations compared to NV30 on which it is very closely based (256-bit bus etc aside). There are also some enhancements/changes based on input from a certain Mr John Carmack of iD Software fame, which I don't really know anything about right now.

Any ideas?

MuFu.
 
Maybe the twice as fast comment refers to their time to delivery... which may just put it on schedule. :devilish:
 
MuFu said:
Could well be over twice as fast in some situations based on specs, yeah. Said this before, but I really hope they resist the temptation to equip it with a dustbuster (of sorts) and shoot for a more conservative clockspeed, say 550-600MHz. Having said that, if they develop a quiet, highly efficient cooling solution and hit 650MHz+ then that'd be pretty neat and they'll have a nice flagship until ATi shoves R400 up their ass.

NV35 has *alot* of fixes/optimisations compared to NV30 on which it is very closely based (256-bit bus etc aside). There are also some enhancements/changes based on input from a certain Mr John Carmack of iD Software fame, which I don't really know anything about right now.

Any ideas?

MuFu.

Any idea on how they are going to improve FSAA? I guess i should ask, will they at all?
 
MuFu said:
Having said that, if they develop a quiet, highly efficient cooling solution and hit 650MHz+ then that'd be pretty neat and they'll have a nice flagship until ATi shoves R400 up their ass.
:LOL:
 
Ummm wasn't the NV30 supposed to be twice as fast as the R300 at one point? :LOL:

Only way they are going to be able to hit higher than 550 is with low-k. Anyone know how that's going @ TSMC?
 
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