NPD September 2002

Re: September sales

Ozymandis said:
http://cube.ign.com/articles/374/374850p1.html

Playstation2~500,000 units
Xbox- 175,000 units
Gamecube- 168,000 units

Interesting that not even Mario can bring Gamecube past the Xbox in the US. Software sales:

Madden2002 for Ps2- almost 375,000 units
Kingdom Hearts- 345,000 units
Super Mario Sunshine- 266,000 units
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But...but... We all know that Wal Mart sells 965,000 Gamecubes per month.
 
intersting... here's an article about how the steal-of-a-Sega-Xbox-bundle spells bad things for the companie(s).

While consumers rejoiced at the news earlier this week regarding Microsoft's plans to bundle the Xbox console with two Sega games, Japanese investors have been far less enthusiastic. More aptly, shares of the company have fallen in recent days following the announcement. In fact, a Deutsche Securities analyst described the software bundle plan as a 'troubling pattern' for both companies, suggesting both Sega and Microsoft were having problems selling their products separately. In a similar move, Nikko Solomon Smith Barney has cut its price target on Sega shares from 3,100 to 2,100 yen
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http://www.xengamers.com/sections/news/8932/

While I really can't see this as anything but an act of desperation / using MSs resources to go for the jugular (see it as you will), hopefully it'll move some hardware and make way for the rather strong Q1 2003 Xbox lineup (Brute Force, Panzer Dragoon, Crimson Skies)

zurich
 
While GT 2002's inclusion in the bundle could be considered troubeling since it's only been out for a month, JSRF went out of production a long time ago.

Analysts like to bring attention to their firms and the way they do it is by sensationalizing. Either very positively or very negatively. Microsoft is in 2nd place in the US. They have to fight an uphill battle against years of Sony mindshare. I don't see how these 'experts' expect them to do that with out giving customers incentive to take notice.
 
Just wait until Christmas ;)

Nice to see that Mario is selling well, it must be at around 700,000 in the U.S now. I wonder what its latest Jap and Euro sales are now? It could be close to 2 million world wide already.

Its quite wierd that XBox sold around the same as GameCube in September yet not one XBox game found its way into the top 10 sold games in September. Three Nintendo first party games were in the top 10 list and PS2 filled allot of 10 ten spots of course.

Anyone have any idea why XBox is selling well while its games aren't?
 
--Because a game doesn't need to be in the top 10 for it to be selling well.

--Because the Xbox's image sells itself in the US

There's only a 4% difference now in hardware sales between the Gamecube and the Xbox. Lets see how October turns out... Microsoft is going to own November, IMO.
 
Teasy said:
Just wait until Christmas ;)

Nice to see that Mario is selling well, it must be at around 700,000 in the U.S now. I wonder what its latest Jap and Euro sales are now? It could be close to 2 million world wide already.
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300k in 9 days in Europe, 600+k in Japan, so you are over 1.5M of reported sales (cf Ben posts ;) )

Its quite wierd that XBox sold around the same as GameCube in September yet not one XBox game found its way into the top 10 sold games in September. Three Nintendo first party games were in the top 10 list and PS2 filled allot of 10 ten spots of course.

Anyone have any idea why XBox is selling well while its games aren't?
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So basically, GC and xbox are selling ~ on par in US, the xbox is sold at loss and the GC not, Nintendo puts 3 of its first party games in the top 10, and MS zero (and zero 3rd parties as well).

question : which is the winner ??
 
wazoo said:
So basically, GC and xbox are selling ~ on par in US
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There's where your wrong. Xbox and Gamecube aren't selling on par in the United States. Xbox has a significant (~500,000 by my count) lead. It's just this one month that Cube, with the help of its biggest game, was able to even approach Xbox's monthly sales.


Keep spinning it, and maybe you'll be able to make something positive out of the fact that nothing Nintendo has been able to bring on the console so far has been enough to start Cube to catching up to Xbox 8)


Edit: That said, I'm also confused at XBox's continued hardware sales dominance. Since May, Gamecube's software offering has been FAR superior to Xbox's. What are all these people getting with their Xbox? Halo? :p
 
There's where your wrong. Xbox and Gamecube aren't selling on par in the United States. Xbox has a significant (~500,000 by my count) lead. It's just this one month that Cube, with the help of its biggest game, was able to even approach Xbox's monthly sales.
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He said selling not sold. Also no its not just this month, since July GameCube has been selling the same as XBox, that's the last 3 months.

As for the gap between them in total U.S sales. Well XBox has sold 17.9% more then GameCube, around 500,000. But for the last few months GameCube has been selling equal to XBox. As you've admited GameCube's game lineup is far superior to XBox's and that's only going to improve with games like Metroid Prime and Res Evil 0 come out before Christmas, also Nintendo are planning a big ad campaign for Christmas, they really haven't done any advertising yet. IMO Christmas will be the time when GameCube sells more then XBox in the U.S. And Christmas is easily the best time to sell more then your rivals because of the sheer ammount sold at Christmas vs the rest of the year.

Lets say we see sales of:

XBox - 1.2 million
GameCube - 1.5 million

At Christmas in the U.S that would basically put GameCube right back on level terms with XBox. A 200,000 sales difference when both consoles already have 3.6 million and 3.8 million sold is not worth mentioning, its only a 5% difference.

IMO those numbers are conservative as well, I think GameCube will sell more then 25% better then XBox in the U.S at Christmas.

But I suppose we'll just have to wait and see.
 
:rolleyes:

I heard all of this on usenet in the mid-90's. Just replace 'GC' with 'N64'.

Nintendo fans have become a broken record. "Just wait until... Just wait until... Just wait until... Just wait until..."

As for the GC's library being superior to the Xbox, software preference is relative. I had almost as much fun with my 3DO as I did with my PSX. ;) Although that was due almost entirely to Star Control 2...

Halo + PGR + Quantum Redshift + Blinx (just got it--great game after you reach world 3) + Morrowind + Dead to Rights + SEGA GT

>

GC library.

But of course that's all in my opinion.
 
Ozy: You know that it's a case of consumer awareness, right?

Nintendo screwed themselves (or MS screwed them) by making them the "other" guys with an unjustly given kiddy image.

Geeforcer: Psst, f**k you. :) I'm pretty sure that NPD numbers (that Ozy is quoting) include Wal-Mart. It's Boston Credit Suisse that doesn't.. and Wal-Mart is one of Nintendo's biggest retailers. It's not a fanboy excuse, it's a means of keeping things fair.
 
Interesting stuff.

According to Ben (and I agree with his line of reasoning) NPD tracks only about 60% of sales. I think it's more like 70%, but it's a minor quibble. :)

At 65% (let's take the average), the true US userbase totals look more like this:

PS2 - 17.4 million (69%)
Xbox - 4.3 million (17.1%)
GCN - 3.5 million (13.9%)

On a run-rate basis for September:

PS2 - 769,000 (59.3%)
Xbox - 269,000 (20.8%)
GCN - 258,000 (19.9%)
 
Teasy said:
He said selling not sold. Also no its not just this month, since July GameCube has been selling the same as XBox, that's the last 3 months.
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of course, nobody here denies the 500k lead from Ms over Nintendo. The fact is that even with this lead, no xbox games are in the top 10.

As you've admited GameCube's game lineup is far superior to XBox's and that's only going to improve with games like Metroid Prime and Res Evil 0 come out before Christmas, also Nintendo are planning a big ad campaign for Christmas, they really haven't done any advertising yet. IMO Christmas will be the time when GameCube sells more then XBox in the U.S.
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Sales have nothing to do with a quality lineup, juste hype and marketing.

And Christmas is easily the best time to sell more then your rivals because of the sheer ammount sold at Christmas vs the rest of the year.
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It is also the best time of the year, when you are the kiddie machine :)

As for the GC's library being superior to the Xbox, software preference is relative. I had almost as much fun with my 3DO as I did with my PSX. Although that was due almost entirely to Star Control 2...
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Star control 2 on 3do was hilarious, except it was a bit too hard to understand. I would like them to put subtitles too :(
 
Ozymandis said:
wazoo said:
It is also the best time of the year, when you are the kiddie machine :)
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Ah. That's why Gamecube absolutely OWNED hardware and software charts last holiday then.


Oh, wait... :LOL:
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Last year, they had the excuse of supply shortages. If they do not sell more this year, it will have proven something, GC is not kiddy ;)

Seriously, we have one big market with the ps2, and two small equivalent markets with the xbox and the GC. Do not expect the mass market to choose somethig different from the ps2, unless you have very good reasons. As for now, both the xbox and GC are behind (I know, Ben will arrive in a few seconds) and both disappoint for different reasons. the Gc has too few worthy exclusive titles, and the xbox does not sell that much better despite heavy marketing and heavy discount.
 
I might as well explain myself:

As you all know, "Wal-Mart factor" is often use in attempt to discredit published sales number, something along the lines of "Wal-Mart is (one of) the biggest retailer(s), and it does not report its numbers, hence the reported sales numbers are irrelevant."

There are many problems with that line of reasoning. Wal-Mart may very well be the biggest of Nintendo's retailers, although I have yet to see them report what percentage of their sales is done through Wal-Mart. Is it 15%, 50% or X%? But either way, Wal-Mart is THE biggest retailer, period so Duh- I would not be surprised if its MS’ and Sony's biggest retailer as well. What some people tend to forget is that those crazy Walmartians sell ...drum roll... other consoles as well. Unless someone can prove that for some reason a Wal-Mart shopper is more likely to buy a GC over Xbox over PSX2 then someone who shops elsewhere, the "Wal-Mart factor" is ...a non-factor. In other words, an exclusion of Wal-Mart cause an underreport in absolute numbers, but will should not alter the ratio between them. Now if WM was a Nintendo/MS/Sony exclusive outlet, then the sales ratios might be skewed, but its obviously not.
 
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