Peter Moore tried to remind people during the E3 press conference last year.
Most people probably fell asleep before he did. It's not a big loss because I'm sure much of the mainstream doesn't give a crap about the E3 press conferences.
NPD December 2007
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Most people probably fell asleep before he did. It's not a big loss because I'm sure much of the mainstream doesn't give a crap about the E3 press conferences.
http://xbox-mag.net/la-ps3-bientot-devant-la-xbox-360-en-france__14742.html
france gfk numbers
ps3 563k ~9months
xb360 589k ~2years
which equates to the ps3 outselling the xb360 by ~2.5 x, (its prolly overtaken the xb360 by the time u read this)
i wouldnt be surprised if this is repeating itself all over the non english speaking world.
that is the xb360's major problem, why does it only sell in english speaking countries?
NA makes up ~2/3 of its sales. with the ps3 NA is ~40%
unless microsoft address this issue they will get overtaken by the ps3 if not in 2008 certainly in 2009
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Isn't that a silly thing to say? "There IS factual evidence.... in the FUTURE!!!! nahaha". Ridiculous IMO.
Well, in your opinion then. But nevertheless every three months we get apples-to-apples updates from both of these companies. Now, since the premise of your original post was basically, "PS3 outselling 360 in Europe - Prove it!!!," I'm simply informing you that proof pointing to one or the other will be here shortly.
I honestly doubt it, sony's not nintendo releasing 2-5 AAA games throught the whole generation(zelda wind waker was rushed shorter and with repetititve bothersome elements-triforce-, mario was shorter too.). They also have access to decent third party support like gta, ubi games, that the gamecube lacked.
In europe and japan, it should be selling better than the gamecube did in the past, though I've not checked.
I think it depends on how much of a jump next-gen brings. If the difference between first-gen next-gen and late-gen playstation 3 titles is not big enough. They could probably keep pushing playstation 3 well until the so-called next-gen.
I don't think any real gamer can keep being wii only. Shovel-ware with a few sprinkles of third-party and nintendo support is just not good enough. Crippled online features, along with lack of vital third party titles like GTA, AC, resident evil, devil may cry, etc is going to force many into getting a second console.
But are "real" gamers the ones keeping Wii in a sold out condition in the first place? So long as the Wii has the winds of popular trend at its back, the ship will sail at full clip. 'Real' gamers as you describe them probably already have or are planning on acquiring one of the other two as it is, if by real we mean the traditional male gaming demographic.
That's a very interesting point; as GH3 is selling pretty well on PS2, we could see this repeated across Xbox3 and PS3 as well, but for other titles too. I don't think they could port COD4 or AC on PS2 or Xbox in any way, but the upcoming consoloes just can't improve that much, neither CPU nor GPU technology has that much left to go forward in the next 3 years. Who would care for the difference between the two versions of COD... 7?
But it wouldn't really benefit Sony in the long term, because it'd make the PS4's launch even more difficult, it'd have to compete with it's elder brother even more then the current one does. Fighting the Xbox3 will be enough of a challenge. But the question of when Sony should actually launch theor next console is beyond the scope of this thread, I guess.
Most of the Wii owners aren't the kind of people you seem to believe. "Real" gamers are buying Xboxes as it seems.
And the 360 had about a million units lead in the UK, so what does that mean?
We can not comply a reliably accurate representation from the European market. The closest guess is that worldwide, PS3 and X360 sales are neck-to-neck, which is good for Sony in general, but not enough to catch up to MS. That'd require a huge lead in Europe, and you can trust Sony's marketing to make some noise about that.
The problem with the whole, "Being behind in the US is OK as long as WW numbers are comparable (or even better)" argument is that it fails to take into account how that will impact smaller developer/publishers and how they decide which platform to target.
Firstly, the notion of a European market is misleading. What you really have is a collection of smaller markets that can differ quite markedly even between neighboring countries.
Not every publisher has the resources to support multiplatform development and not every publisher has the resources to do the loacalization required to release a title for the EU market. For those that do, they may not choose to allocate those resources to support every project from every developer that they agree to publish.
Now if you are a small Western developer - and you have to choose a platform to develop your title for - that large, uniform, US market has got to be a lot more realistic target than several smaller diverse markets even if when added together they are larger, simply because it's an easier sell. You're much more likely to be able to get the level of publisher support required to make your project a reality.
So if the 360 continues to increase its lead in the US alone the result will be more and more of these niche and unproven concepts getting green-lighted on that platform for that market. These titles are the ones that create the diversity of software that was the hallmark of the PS2 last generation. Some of these titles will do well enough to get localization and an EU release. Some fewer of these will be allocated the resources to be ported to PS3. End result: more games get released for 360 than PS3.
Firstly, the notion of a European market is misleading. What you really have is a collection of smaller markets that can differ quite markedly even between neighboring countries.
Not every publisher has the resources to support multiplatform development and not every publisher has the resources to do the loacalization required to release a title for the EU market. For those that do, they may not choose to allocate those resources to support every project from every developer that they agree to publish.
Now if you are a small Western developer - and you have to choose a platform to develop your title for - that large, uniform, US market has got to be a lot more realistic target than several smaller diverse markets even if when added together they are larger, simply because it's an easier sell. You're much more likely to be able to get the level of publisher support required to make your project a reality.
So if the 360 continues to increase its lead in the US alone the result will be more and more of these niche and unproven concepts getting green-lighted on that platform for that market. These titles are the ones that create the diversity of software that was the hallmark of the PS2 last generation. Some of these titles will do well enough to get localization and an EU release. Some fewer of these will be allocated the resources to be ported to PS3. End result: more games get released for 360 than PS3.
What you're saying is definitely true, but it's worth mentioning that the software connection is not a part of the argument at all. I don't think anyone here is claiming that 360 is at risk of losing its sizable software sales advantage against PS3 anytime in the near future.
Hardly, before Mass Effect, there has been exactly one rpg that has done well on the 360. Oblivion.
2nd fastest selling exclusive? Is that like the 2nd fastest turtle? Outselling Lair and Eye of Judgement is hardly worthy of any praise.
So again, I'm certain Mass Effect is a bigger "flop" of the two, in terms of expectations.
I'm sure when the guys at Bioware count their profits they would disagree. Because that's what makes a product successful in the eyes of developers and publishers.
Um the 360 has much more software than the ps3, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. 360 exclusives have mostly sold very well, ps3 exclusives have mostly sold poorly. You don't need much of a formula to know that uncharted isn't profitable yet, and that mass effect is well into the black.
Again its success vs expectations. Part of the success of the 360 is down to its userbase. They've successfully targeted people who buy a lot of games. Medium quality titles like lost planet, crackdown and saints row on the 360 have become million sellers. AAA highly budgeted PS3 titles not so much.
I have to say I'm surprised at the Super Mario Galaxy sales. I really thought Mario would get passed over, because of the way the brand has tarnished in the years since Mario64. It really is a good title, so I'm happy it did well.
The userbase on the PS3 doesn't seem to be big enough or willing to buy so many titles. With Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, Uncharted, Guitar Hero, Rock Band etc etc, it seems the sales are split for any one title to be a runaway success.
Everything is pretty much the same we've been seeing for the past year. These NPD threads are getting kind of boring.
The userbase on the PS3 doesn't seem to be big enough or willing to buy so many titles. With Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, Uncharted, Guitar Hero, Rock Band etc etc, it seems the sales are split for any one title to be a runaway success.
Everything is pretty much the same we've been seeing for the past year. These NPD threads are getting kind of boring.
Or just waiting for a price in the 200s before they get either an xbox 360 or a ps3.
i donno heres
wii's recent numbers
425000
403600
501000
519000
981000
1350000 = average ~700k
now since nintenod doesnt have to stockpile, i wonder how close janurarys figures will be to that 700k
btw i dont agree with matt from ign, the dec numbers werent 'massive' in dec2002 the ps2 sold 2.7million
Perhaps this is why Sony has been aggressively funding small developers and experimenting with different game concepts. Look at the very creative PSN titles (flOw, Everyday Shooter, Echochrome, ...), small Blu-ray teams like Ninja Theory and Media Molecule, and even Sony's own PS Eye games.
I have stated this before, but am happy to say it again. The PS3 game library is surprisingly varied and is my most favorite aspect of PS3. I hope they continue the strategy despite risky sales.
EDIT: This year, I have my eyes set on Pata-Pata-Pata-Pon, LBP (better not delayed again), SingStar (better not delayed again), R2, KZ2 and GT5P. I am less attracted to DMC, MGS or GTA.
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Sony picked them when they were still small and grew they did. That's the point isn't it ? ;-)
Obviously. The Wii's average for sales in NA is actually 526k. It's only sold more than that amount 3 months out of 14 (dec06, nov07, dec07).