Nintendo: Innovation is dying/FREE old Games

[jvd]

Personaly for me I like that nintendo made the zelda stories fit together that way we get a feeling of history .


Other than that in some ways i don't care .

DO i care that they have mario golf ? Not really its just mario in a golf form . Why is it any diffrent than buying a new year version of tiger woods ? They have mario kart and thats a unique game , yes there have now been 3 diffrent ones (and soon a 4th on ds ) but they add tracks and fresh ideas to keep it going .


As long as they play well and offer new goals its fine with me . It seems to also be fine with the rest of the industry , I believe ratchet and clank or jak (forgot which one ) has a racing game coming out .

I mean really whats the diffrence between playing metriod prime 1 and 2 2 years apart and playing gta 3 , gta 3 vice city and gta 3 san andreous with in 5 years ?


THere isn't much , its just publishers creating what the fans want

 

[mckmas8808]

Your totally correct jvd *looks at wall with confused faceand rubs head* (did I just say that) if really doesn't matter that Nintendo puts out different games with the same characters to me. Just stop using the innovative title as if Sony or MS can't do it. I mean even with the Xbox low sales they bought the need for a HDD and great online play to console gaming and I'm darn happy for that.

I just wish that the media can just stop it with this Nintendo is the originators of the three. Just please stop. One look at Okami and SOTC and you will tell yourself "I have never seen a game like this before". And with DIFFERENT characters. Woo I can exhale now.

 

[jvd]

I think your missing the point though .


With Nintendo they have a long rich history as a game developer . They have done many things first . So they have done innovative things . Do i think everything they do is innovative ? Na . Alot of it is old ideas fixed up and prefected for that period of time .

Look at nintendogs (sp? )

Its really a virtual pet + hey u pickachu + touch screen . But its all done together which makes it inovative .

One look at Okami and SOTC and you will tell yourself "I have never seen a game like this before". And with DIFFERENT characters. Woo I can exhale now.

Don't really know what games these are as i Don't own a ps2 and my sister is sleeping . But are these tittles sony developed or are these tittles apearing on the ps2 ?

That is one of the diffrences with nintendo. The 3rd parties don't do the innovations , nintendo does .


As for the rev ... well I don't think its innovative . Sony already offered the bc and sega did that years before with the genesis . But its new for nintendo and unlike sony they have titles all the way back from the 8bit era that a huge segment of players remember .

I think the majority of young adults 18-30 remember the nes as thier first game system and would love to be able to play those old games again .


Now hopefully that isn't the only thing nintendo has . Hopefully they do bring something innovative like the ds touch screen was for gaming. IF they can do that i'm sure they will grow thier market again. However nintendo has allways and will allways make great games and there are alot of fans that will buy a nintendo console just for the nintendo games . I actually think if sega and nintendo released a system with only thier games on it they would make a killing together

 

[mckmas8808]

That is one of the diffrences with nintendo. The 3rd parties don't do the innovations , nintendo does

Yes thats true but doing it 3rd party exclusivly on your own console is about the same as doing it 1st party as far as innovation is concerned. If a gamer whats innovative games he could easily buy a PS2 and buy some PS2 exclusive games with the eyetoy and get plenty of it.

It shouldn't matter if its 1st party of not. Of course the gamer could get a GC too.

 

[jvd]

No it really isn't . Becaue sony has nothing to do with it and your giving them credit when its the developer that should get credit . A konami game can be innovative on the ps2 but it doesn't need the ps2 to make it innovative , it can be just as innovative on an xbox .

Nintendo however is nintendo and if they make a game that is innovative it is nintendo that did the innovation .

It makes all the diffrence. If sony didn't make the innovation then they didn't make the innovation. I mean if you drove me to 7-11 and i played the lotto and then won 10 million , I won 10 million , you didn't . Though u gave me a ride it doesn't matter ,I could have walked and played and won anyway . You had nothing to do with the win

 

[PC-Engine]

You had nothing to do with the win

True, but that person would still kiss @ss to make it seem like they somehow had contributed to the win/innovation.

 

[mckmas8808]

True jvd thats why I would give the most innovative award to Nintendo, but its like people think they are the only ones that support actual innovative games you see. Isolated Nintendo would be the most innovative, but I think Sony comes in a close second.

 

[Reznor007]

Mario 64 was innovative. I could not think of a better franchise to take the leap into the 3D platform realm. Cell Shaded Zelda was definately innovative. A 3D First Person Action/Adventure Metroid really fit the genre perfectly. The new mature Link is just WOW.

Great, great point Acert93. Great point and thats why I say that Sony is too very innovative. I hate it when the meda and normal gamers say that Nintendo is innvovative and act as if Sony isn't.

Sony has done very innovative things too. I like to think like you and consider new gameplay mechanics innovative. To me things like Okami, Eyetoy, DVDs in consoles, handhelds that can play movies and music and get on the internet, Dance Dance Revolution, GTA 3 series and up, and many other things are also innovative.

I just don't see why Sony also gets shafted by Nintendo when it comes to being considered innovative.

Minor correction....I think GP32 was the first handheld to do movies/music/internet, DDR was made by Konami, not Sony, and GTA is Rockstar, not Sony.

 

[see colon]

Sony has done very innovative things too. I like to think like you and consider new gameplay mechanics innovative. To me things like Okami, Eyetoy, DVDs in consoles, handhelds that can play movies and music and ge on the internet, Dance Dance Revolution, GTA 3 series and up, and many other things are also innovative.

cdi and 3do (and after that saturn, DC and ps1) could all play vcd's. with the exception of the DC all of those systems were out before DVD. cdi, xeye, 3do, segaCD and saturn also played CD+G and some configurations (xeye, some 3do models, and some cdi's) had built in kareoke support. the entertainment system/media player concept really belongs to cdi and 3do, IMHO, not sony.

the ngage came out before the psp and it plays music, movies, can surf the internet (and isn't limited to hotspots), play games online (it even has MMO's)...
other convergance devices have been released before the psp as well. tapware zodiac and various pda's, for example. nintendo doen't get much credit for innovation on the DS from me either. the tiger game.com has dual slots and a touch screen (and it sucked all around) well before the DS.

DDR (1998 konomi) was predated by about a year and a half by parapa the rappa (1996 NanaOn-Sha). i'm really not sure where the credit lies for innovation, since to me they are basicly the same game, with DDR having a pad. sony could get some credit for publishing parapa.

gta3 wasn't really all that different of a game from gta2, except 3d. it's a great game, but the "drive anywhere in the city" part had been done years earlier in midtown madness (1999 microsoft), and the "steal any car and crash into anything" concept (many of GTAIII's concepts were taken from driver 2 IMHO) was done on the ps1 release driver 2 (reflections/infogrames 2000).

the eyetoy is slick (or i should say, what sony has been pulling off with the eyetoy is slick), but it's not the first gaming camera. nintendo had the game boy camera and printer in 1998.

 

[jvd]

True jvd thats why I would give the most innovative award to Nintendo, but its like people think they are the only ones that support actual innovative games you see. Isolated Nintendo would be the most innovative, but I think Sony comes in a close second.

You can say this but you'd be wrong. After nintendo i would have to say sega for the second most innovative.

Can you list what you think sony did (And not 3rd parties ) that was innovative ?

 

[Acert93]

Can you list what you think sony did (And not 3rd parties ) that was innovative ?

I think that is the point... for whatever reason Sony has attracted strong 3rd party support, even exceptional exclusives.

I think a lot of times we connect innovation with market leadership. There have been many times where someone has had an idea, even a better idea, but it is when the market leader supports the idea that it become innovative--only because more people get to enjoy it. I think a platforms success automatically tends our mind toward innovation...

 

[jvd]

I don't agree. As i've already said developer a) could make the same game on any system , just because they made it on a xbox doesn't make it ms's innovation . Its the developers that drove the innovations .

That is why nintendo gets talked up about innovation and being an innovator because they make the games that are innovative . Sometimes they innovate in hardware too .

 

[mckmas8808]

I totally understand what you guys are saying and you're correct. I coming from a stand point of main acceptance. What can you get from a console kind of stuff. Maybe I should rephrase my quote and say the PS1 and PS2 has plenty of innovatition on it, not just Nintendo consoles.

 

[jvd]

If you say the ps1 and ps2 had innovative games on it , i would agree. But i coulnd't agree with sony being as innovative as nintendo or even sega .

 

[jandar]

If you say the ps1 and ps2 had innovative games on it , i would agree. But i coulnd't agree with sony being as innovative as nintendo or even sega .

Sony = BASF
"They don't make new technology, they mass market it"

 

[mckmas8808]

Sony = BASF
"They don't make new technology, they mass market it"

Ha! Thats funny. Yet true.

 

[Ty]

THere isn't much , its just publishers creating what the fans want

If you really believe this, then you shouldn't worry about a Sony monopoly so much as a Nintendo one. Sony was/is MUCH more open about the kinds of games that can be created for their systems. Nintendo was/is just the opposite.


It's funny when people (from any side) argue about "true innovation". I'm willing to bet that MOST of the innovative ideas they are crediting to Company X could easily be traced back further. Therefore people are likely giving false credit due to understandable ignorance (understandable in that their pool of knowledge is simply limited).

 

[jvd]

We already talked about this TY . There are alot of things i'm sure that people give credit where credit is not due , but there are others where credit is due .


First system to offer bc would be the atari as it could play the older atari games , going to post crash it would be the genesis as yo ucould play master system games on it

I believe one of the older systems pre crash had a modem in it and then post crash would be the saturn .


The sega genesis had the sega channel which would make it the first system to offer steam like content .

 

[Ty]

We already talked about this TY . There are alot of things i'm sure that people give credit where credit is not due , but there are others where credit is due .

Exactly, which is why I didn't just refer to you - I said both/any sides.

 

[Kolgar]

What's all this fascination with innovation?

More important, I think, is implementation. People bust Sony's chops because they "steal" other companies' ideas. While this may be true to some extent, no one can dispute that they are masters of assembling those ideas and implementing them in a way that's made the company and its products very successful.