Lol no worries. My fault for not checking. The indication for ignored posts is way at the bottom.
NextGen Games new $70 price point and paid upgrades? [2020-07]
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Well, his sources are 'other forums' he says, which isnt directly any good source as we have learned before.
That sounds like a publisher decisions aka Activision and not Sony, but you get to upgrade for a fee, which it seems you can not on XBox. That sounds weird, but not my article.
From https://www.polygon.com/2020/8/26/21403107/call-of-duty-black-ops-cold-war-next-gen-upgrade-ps4-ps5-xbox-one-series-x#:~:text=Players who purchase the standard,standard current-gen version).
Yea this is accurate.
MS is attempting to stop people for charging for upgrades. They want the publishers to use the smart delivery mechanism, which is 1 license and download the best version of the game for any console. The Xbox Series X/S is the smart delivery license, but it costs $10 than the XBO edition, which is a non-smart delivery license. This of course only applies to the physical copies of the game. The digital copies can support license upgrades.
Hope that makes sense.
tldr; Activision wanted to make more money, so they skirted around smart delivery by forcing 2 separate SKUs on xbox.
Lol I have this problem all the time with ignored posts. It can be very confusing.
HBRU
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It's a bit complex. Don't know if situation is still the same.
https://screenrant.com/cod-black-ops-cold-war-ps5-xbox-upgrade/
https://screenrant.com/cod-black-ops-cold-war-ps5-xbox-upgrade/
So you are saying what the article says then, if you have XBox One S or X and a physical copy of the game, you can not upgrade to XSX without buying a new game at full price?
So in theory, publishers could enforce different pricing on XSS/XSX also, or maybe consumers ends up requesting lower price for XSS version.
Ohh well, I do not play COD so I do not care.
Why did you pose the question if you already had the answer?
There are 2 copies of the game, one is 59.99 and one is 69.99.
If you pay for 69.99 version of the physical title, it works on all devices. this is the smart delivery SKU - you put this in XBO, it will run the XBO version. If you put this in Series S/X it will run the enhanced X/S versions.
If you pay for the 59.99 version of the physical title, it only works on XBO Generation. This is the locked SKU. If you put this version into a Series X/S console, it will just run backwards compatibility mode.
MS would stop them from charging a price differential between X/S. But they appear to be relaxing on the cross gen rules - likely because COD has too large a pull.
Yes, but then you are paying for the Next-Gen version, before you have a next-gen box. You might still end up switching platform of choice when you get a next-gen box.
I think Activision seriously made a cluster fuck of this.
It would have been so easy to just, here is current gen version, if / when you go to next-gen, you need to pay x more to a copy. Instead of if this then that thingy, but still not my headache, cod is not for me.
Currently, but if the "uproar" gets big enough, then it's not impossible that might change, not likely,but not impossible.
its a shame that again they want to complain about game costs when comparing post tax prices in europe vs pre tax price in the USA
Context around EuroGamer article: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-10-01-we-need-to-talk-about-the-cost-of-next-gen-video-games
We need to talk about the cost of next-gen video games
The new normal.
Next-gen video games cost £70 - this is something that has become apparent in the last month.
Sony, with the in-demand PlayStation 5 near launch, has decided Demon's Souls, Destruction AllStars, and Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition all cost £69.99 each. On ShopTo, Gran Turismo 7 costs £69.85 - 14 pence cheaper than RRP. So does PS5 game Returnal. Clearly, if you want to get into PS5 gaming, the true cost of next-gen is £70 games.
But Sony is not alone in selling £70 next-gen games. I've had a look around, and I can't help but feel we're being shafted. PS5 launch title Godfall, published by Borderlands developer Gearbox, costs £70 on Sony's console. The PC version, exclusive to the Epic Games Store for now, costs £50. I know PC games, which are downloads not discs, tend to be cheaper than their console counterparts. But why is Godfall £20 more expensive on PS5 than it is on PC? That doesn't seem right. I asked Gearbox for an explanation for the cost of Godfall, but it has yet to comment.
Here's another game that seems outrageously priced: Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War. On GAME's website, the next-gen versions (PS5 and Xbox Series X) both cost £70 each. The current-gen versions cost £65, which seems ridiculous (they're £60 elsewhere - nice one GAME). Activision is pushing the digital-only cross-gen bundle version of the game, which costs £65 on the PlayStation Store as well as the Microsoft Store. The publisher is not offering a free next-gen upgrade, like other publishers are. It is not making use of Microsoft's Smart Delivery, like other publishers are. If you want to upgrade to next-gen from current-gen, you may have to pay an extra tenner (we've asked Activision how much it will cost, but it hasn't confirmed yet). So you should probably get the £65 cross-gen bundle, just in case. They've got us there, haven't they?
There's more: Hogwarts Legacy is £70. Gotham Knights is £70. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is £70. It's clear: £70 is the new next-gen normal.
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We need to talk about the cost of next-gen video games
The new normal.
Next-gen video games cost £70 - this is something that has become apparent in the last month.
Sony, with the in-demand PlayStation 5 near launch, has decided Demon's Souls, Destruction AllStars, and Marvel's Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition all cost £69.99 each. On ShopTo, Gran Turismo 7 costs £69.85 - 14 pence cheaper than RRP. So does PS5 game Returnal. Clearly, if you want to get into PS5 gaming, the true cost of next-gen is £70 games.
But Sony is not alone in selling £70 next-gen games. I've had a look around, and I can't help but feel we're being shafted. PS5 launch title Godfall, published by Borderlands developer Gearbox, costs £70 on Sony's console. The PC version, exclusive to the Epic Games Store for now, costs £50. I know PC games, which are downloads not discs, tend to be cheaper than their console counterparts. But why is Godfall £20 more expensive on PS5 than it is on PC? That doesn't seem right. I asked Gearbox for an explanation for the cost of Godfall, but it has yet to comment.
Here's another game that seems outrageously priced: Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War. On GAME's website, the next-gen versions (PS5 and Xbox Series X) both cost £70 each. The current-gen versions cost £65, which seems ridiculous (they're £60 elsewhere - nice one GAME). Activision is pushing the digital-only cross-gen bundle version of the game, which costs £65 on the PlayStation Store as well as the Microsoft Store. The publisher is not offering a free next-gen upgrade, like other publishers are. It is not making use of Microsoft's Smart Delivery, like other publishers are. If you want to upgrade to next-gen from current-gen, you may have to pay an extra tenner (we've asked Activision how much it will cost, but it hasn't confirmed yet). So you should probably get the £65 cross-gen bundle, just in case. They've got us there, haven't they?
There's more: Hogwarts Legacy is £70. Gotham Knights is £70. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League is £70. It's clear: £70 is the new next-gen normal.
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The games industry is not immune to inflation and other rising costs so something has to give.
This is necessary if the quality of games is to remain high.
This is necessary if the quality of games is to remain high.
Tkumpathenurpahl
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It sucks, but it's not the end of the world. I simply won't buy many AAA games at launch.
I couldn't afford Death Stranding when it released, on account of being dole scum at the time. By the time I could afford to buy it, it had dropped to £30. It's not Kojima's best work, and £30 feels about right.
I just recently bought Borderlands 3 for £10 as well as the Bayonetta & Vanquish double pack for the same price. I'm having a blast with Borderlands and Bayonetta, as I'm sure I will with Vanquish. I feel like I underpaid.
I bought The Last of Us Part 2 at launch, for £53. The gameplay is solid and the graphics are great, but its main appeal, the story, is bloated and muddled. I feel like I overpaid.
It seems that AAA games are pretty fraught in that regard. Smaller indie titles, however, always seem to get their prices right, even at launch. Even if I don't like a game for which I've paid £20, I can reconcile the fact that it's only like having a bad night out on the piss. And indies are often focused enough that I know whether or not I like them within ~5 hours rather than the ~50 hours that AAA titles increasingly skew towards.
Anyway, all that rambling was a roundabout way of saying I'm probably going to keep leaning more in the direction of buying smaller, more focused indie games. But not if they're pixel art, ugly shit like that belongs in MS Paint.
I couldn't afford Death Stranding when it released, on account of being dole scum at the time. By the time I could afford to buy it, it had dropped to £30. It's not Kojima's best work, and £30 feels about right.
I just recently bought Borderlands 3 for £10 as well as the Bayonetta & Vanquish double pack for the same price. I'm having a blast with Borderlands and Bayonetta, as I'm sure I will with Vanquish. I feel like I underpaid.
I bought The Last of Us Part 2 at launch, for £53. The gameplay is solid and the graphics are great, but its main appeal, the story, is bloated and muddled. I feel like I overpaid.
It seems that AAA games are pretty fraught in that regard. Smaller indie titles, however, always seem to get their prices right, even at launch. Even if I don't like a game for which I've paid £20, I can reconcile the fact that it's only like having a bad night out on the piss. And indies are often focused enough that I know whether or not I like them within ~5 hours rather than the ~50 hours that AAA titles increasingly skew towards.
Anyway, all that rambling was a roundabout way of saying I'm probably going to keep leaning more in the direction of buying smaller, more focused indie games. But not if they're pixel art, ugly shit like that belongs in MS Paint.
Tkumpathenurpahl
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When I was unemployed, I tried out a trial of PSNow, and even then, I barely had enough time to really make use of the service. Between work, exercise, girlfriend, family, friends, and writing, I don't have an enormous amount of time to commit to gaming as it is. I honestly don't know how people manage to consume the sheer amount of entertainment that they seem to.
I'd rather buy a game or two every month or two, rather than indulge in the FOMO driven ADHD that underscores ever more media. In my opinion, everyone and everything needs to slow down and breathe every now and then, rather than pressing on in this endless cocaine fuelled mania.
I'd rather buy a game or two every month or two, rather than indulge in the FOMO driven ADHD that underscores ever more media. In my opinion, everyone and everything needs to slow down and breathe every now and then, rather than pressing on in this endless cocaine fuelled mania.
That's me screwed then.
This applies more to people who always have to have the latest games more so than subscription services though. I'm convinced that's why so many arguments for disc drives exist even in 2020...constantly buying and re-selling
I haven't bought a new AAA game on day one since GTA5....for Xbox 360...
I hardly game anymore but I would still consider game pass over buying new games because of the simple fact 7 months = 1 new game.....not because I need access to a tonne of content.
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