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That's what people were saying about 1080p when the PS3 came out too.

No content, too expensive, consumers won't care, won't matter unless you have a huge screen.

But now, they're putting 1080p in phones.

I'm not saying 4k will displace 1080p but I wouldn't rule it out completely either.

That said, I'd wait a couple of years to see if there is content released in 4k. Second or third gen displays are likely to be much better as well as cheaper. Maybe also a display tech other than plasma or LCD may make an appearance.

1080p isn't the same as Bluray. One is a disc format (hard to push), the other us a spec on a TV, computer, or phone. You just get it over time. Bluray worked because DVDs on large Tavs looked terrible.
 
4K is the next natural step, even it's a incremental step that many wont really get the maximum benefit from, with small screens, distance to screen and all the other usual counterarguments about resolution.
4K simply has the advantage of being the "new" kid on the block and if the content owners can sell a 4K movie for more than a Blu-Ray they would of course try to push it.

With a download only service they have the extra benefit of keeping their investment in producing discs to Zero. If it catches on it should be fairly easy to build a 4K blu-ray that Sony can support.

Best part is, that sony doesn't need to bet the farm on a new disc technology, and there is no hidef war.

Patsu, yes currently it's a sony only thing, but it should be fairly easy to open it up to other 4k tv's.

http://www.tested.com/tech/tvs/453322-road-2160p-how-4k-uhd-will-get-your-home/

Looks like Hirai is not counting on Blu-ray for 4K movie. He wants to focus on network distribution first. NetFlix and Samsung have demonstrated 4K streaming but no timeline was given.
 
I think the studios would want premium pricing on 4k content, so as to not cannibalize from DVD and Blu-Ray.

But who's going to pay for $30+ downloads that you can't even re-sell?
 
Heh heh, they tried premium day-and-date digital movie release and the cinema operator revolted. If they do it with 4K movies, the cinema guys will throw in the towel. :devilish:
 
I think the studios would want premium pricing on 4k content, so as to not cannibalize from DVD and Blu-Ray.

But who's going to pay for $30+ downloads that you can't even re-sell?

Who's going to by digital content you can't sell? *Looks at Steam, Amazon Instant Video, iTunes*

Yep, that argument is really why those stores never took off.
 
There are a lot of lazy suckers out there. And music may be selling well but not video. Who in their right mind is going to pay $20 for a movie to download when you can get the DVD for less?
 
As with Blu-ray, if they charge that high, they will need to give people "full access" (e.g., "total" ownership + assorted goodies and resolution for multiple device playback).

No such nonsense as locking to a single device.

Even so, I still think nextgen, people may prefer interactivity in movies than higher resolution. We already got 1080p the last time round (interactivity lost).


EDIT: I don't mind an improved HMZ-T1 and Occulus Rift combo though.
 
I don't know about interactivity.

I don't think a lot of the BD-Live features ever took off. They'd have chats with directors at the BD release of the movie and then take the site down months later.

Not even sure people bother with the extras on discs, like audio commentary or little behind the scenes content.

Now, some TV networks are trying these apps. that let you share or chat while watching shows. I don't think those are going over well either.
 
What sort of file sizes are these 4k movies transferred over the Net going to have? I have to say I'm somewhat sceptical that they can achieve significantly better quality over 1080p Blu-rays with this. Imo with 1080P Blu-ray the resolution is not even close to being the weakest link in the picture quality chain and further improving the resolution will do nothing to these other issues.
 
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There are a lot of lazy suckers out there. And music may be selling well but not video. Who in their right mind is going to pay $20 for a movie to download when you can get the DVD for less?

Why buy from iTunes? It's a HD digitally downloadable copy of a movie that can be streamed anywhere you have an Apple TV and a decent Internet connection, playable on all Apple devices, AND they've in the past shown to upgrade from 720p to 1080p for free. Plus, DVDs break and even if you are tech savvy enough to know how to rip a DVD or Bluray, some people's time is far more valuable.

So no, not that hard to explain.
 
What sort of file sizes are these 4k movies transferred over the Net going to have? I have to say I'm somewhat sceptical that they can achieve significantly better quality over 1080p Blu-rays with this. Imo with Blu-rays the resolution is not even close to being weakest link the in the picture quality chain and further improving the resolution will do nothing to these other issues.

Average 2hr movie on a Blu-ray Disc encoded w/ H.264 @ 1080p is around 22-25GB. At worst, if you quadruple the data and use HEVC, that's 50-60GB for the movie alone for Bluray quality, though compression is not that linear (4x resolution does not automatically mean 4x data). However is wager most people wouldn't be able to immediately tell the difference between a Bluray and an iTunes 1080p copy, which is 1/4th the size and easily streamable. So for a 4K movie, perhaps 15-20GB for a good quality stream or 17-22Mbps. So it's possible (I could stream at that rate), but I suspect if everyone tries to do that today, you'd hit bottlenecks in cable modem speed distribution because they oversubscribed a lot what their systems are capable of today (hence caps, a bad solution to the wrong problem).
 
I don't know about interactivity.

I don't think a lot of the BD-Live features ever took off. They'd have chats with directors at the BD release of the movie and then take the site down months later.

Not even sure people bother with the extras on discs, like audio commentary or little behind the scenes content.

Now, some TV networks are trying these apps. that let you share or chat while watching shows. I don't think those are going over well either.

That's because the Blu-ray partners copped out in BDJ after the HD-DVD fight.

A real interactivity video would be something like the YouTube website (but better).
 
I might pre-order in US. Not sure if Sony will have enough for the initial batch. I remember I had to hunt for one month for my 20GB PS3.
 
Show me some compelling titles and/or features.

I remember chasing for supplies. Really could have waited until the first revision or so, though my original 60 GB is in solid shape. Just dusty.
 
What sort of file sizes are these 4k movies transferred over the Net going to have? I have to say I'm somewhat sceptical that they can achieve significantly better quality over 1080p Blu-rays with this. Imo with 1080P Blu-ray the resolution is not even close to being the weakest link in the picture quality chain and further improving the resolution will do nothing to these other issues.

According to Sony's COO, Phil Molyneux, it'll be 100+ GB depending on length. That sets the minimum bar at 100 GB, likely for a 80 or 90 minute movie. Potentially close to 150+ GB for a 2+ hour movie.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/4...ll-work-with-ps4-require-100gb-plus-downloads

Molyneux said that typical 4K movies would be "100 gigabytes and plus" depending on length, and added that file size and average broadband speeds are "challenges that we have to work through... we've got some very good ideas that will make that a comfortable consumer experience."

And that is for the compressed internet streaming version. I'd imagine a retail disc version with the same quality (compression) as BluRay will be at 300+ GB minimum.

Regards,
SB
 
It sounds like they are going to use H.264 in the mean time and explore/use the new standard (H.265) when everything is ready.

In the early BR days, they used MPEG 2 codec. They eventually switched to MPEG 4.
 
According to Sony's COO, Phil Molyneux, it'll be 100+ GB depending on length. That sets the minimum bar at 100 GB, likely for a 80 or 90 minute movie. Potentially close to 150+ GB for a 2+ hour movie.

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/4...ll-work-with-ps4-require-100gb-plus-downloads



And that is for the compressed internet streaming version. I'd imagine a retail disc version with the same quality (compression) as BluRay will be at 300+ GB minimum.

Regards,
SB

Shifty, see my math above. If Sony needs to use 100GB to get H.264 Bluray quality movies, they are doing it wrong.
 
Shifty, see my math above. If Sony needs to use 100GB to get H.264 Bluray quality movies, they are doing it wrong.

Hm ? You mentioned that the average size of an HVEC encoded movie is 50-60GB.

It is generally thought to be twice as effective as H.264. So their 100GB estimate should be in the right ballpark, no ?

They will probably shift to H.265 when the specs, PS4 playback client and authoring tools are ready.
 
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