News & Rumours: Playstation 4/ Orbis *spin*

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AlNets said:
hm... I thought Netflix was different between regions, even Canada vs USA. Amazon Prime is terrible in Canada
everything sucks in Canada
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The stores are very different, but AFAIK Netflix release their own content worldwide simultaneously. The fact Sony don't seem able to control release of their own content to their own platform makes them...Special.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Different games on the store always comes down to logistics. In the EU Guilty gear isn't even localized, so why would they have it on the EU store?
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There is an English language version, so surely they could just put that on the PSN and let people decide? Especially the UK, which is where the English language was born?

Really, in this day and age, where the Internet makes the planet one big community, these region locks are so archaic.

If they really wanted to block people from seeing some content for 'legal reasons' then they wouldn't allow UK/EU guys to create US accounts. Which is way too painful for most anyway, but surely if it's such a pressing legal issue it wouldn't be allowed at all?

Really. The Guilty Gear topic hits a very painful nerve with me.
 
London-boy said:
There is an English language version, so surely they could just put that on the PSN and let people decide? Especially the UK, which is where the English language was born?

Really, in this day and age, where the Internet makes the planet one big community, these region locks are so archaic.

If they really wanted to block people from seeing some content for 'legal reasons' then they wouldn't allow UK/EU guys to create US accounts. Which is way too painful for most anyway, but surely if it's such a pressing legal issue it wouldn't be allowed at all?

Really. The Guilty Gear topic hits a very painful nerve with me.
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You don't know how game content is distributed.

"My country created english so i should be able to buy all the english games from the store!"

Why would Sony have the ability to do such a thing when its up to the publisher and the distributor to approve and sign off on where the game goes to begin with? What are you talking about?
 
Inuhanyou said:
You don't know how game content is distributed.

"My country created english so i should be able to buy all the english games from the store!"

Why would Sony have the ability to do such a thing when its up to the publisher and the distributor to approve and sign off on where the game goes to begin with? What are you talking about?
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I still have the right to nag about it, don't I? :yes:

No I don't know the nitty gritty of distribution, I'm just an annoyed customer who can whinge at some things that in this day and age should not be happening, in my own humble opinion.

Yes of course "there's a reason". There's always a reason. Doesn't make it right!

That's all.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
Except MS doesn't appear to run into the same issues. Or at least, that's how it seems. Same with Netflix. But then maybe Sony's media department has loads of legacy baggage deals weighing it down?
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I'm not sure this is entirely true at all. Although I'd read something at one time that with XBL and the way it was originally setup, using space bucks instead of real currency, it somehow made things easier. I dunno... I can't remember exactly.

Netflix however is dire in the UK compared to the international (read: US) versions.

I'm sure your last sentence likely holds alot of truth though too. I also wonder whether they run into issues with anti-trust/competition laws in some countries, being both a content producer and distributor?
 
London-boy said:
I still have the right to nag about it, don't I? :yes:

No I don't know the nitty gritty of distribution, I'm just an annoyed customer who can whinge at some things that in this day and age should not be happening, in my own humble opinion.

Yes of course "there's a reason". There's always a reason. Doesn't make it right!

That's all.
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If the reason is due to legal issues causing restrictions then what should it being in "this day and age" have anything to do with it? Different countries will always have different laws. It's a fact of life, and sure it sucks, but so does a great many things.

Here in the UK we get treated like second class citizens for content distribution across the board, not just with Sony. If we left the EU, it'd be even worse.

As consumers we have every right to moan and complain, but understand you're not moaning about a company's incompetency, as much as the fact that many countries we're forced to be grouped together with in this economic union have crappy laws. Direct your moaning at the policy-makers not Sony. Since It's more thn likely a result of issues outside of any companies' control.
 
Prophecy2k said:
Here in the UK we get treated like second class citizens for content distribution across the board, not just with Sony. If we left the EU, it'd be even worse.
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The grass always seems greener on the other side. Why don't you ask Australians and Germans how they feel about their countries censorship of content but particularly video games. Or countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and Ukraine. Malaysia and Singapore as well.

The UK is a tricky market because not doubt some content distribution agreements tie into the EU and others do not but it's nowhere near as bad as what some gamers have to endure.

Bloody whinging Brits!
 
DSoup said:
The grass always seems greener on the other side. Why don't you ask Australians and Germans how they feel about their countries censorship of content but particularly video games. Or countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and Ukraine. Malaysia and Singapore as well.
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UK == 2nd class citizens. Elsewhere == 3rd and 4th class citizens. ;) But the major complaint is the UK is ready to take the US content as is - doesn't need censoring or translating or dubbing. Considering it's 'free' to release here, to not get content is frustrating. The reasons being business related and the content being sold to the likes of Sky rather than Netflix, I suppose.
 
Alternatively, change your DNS settings and get the US Netflix - problem solved.

Daredevil is the mutts nuts.
 
Shifty Geezer said:
UK == 2nd class citizens. Elsewhere == 3rd and 4th class citizens. ;) But the major complaint is the UK is ready to take the US content as is - doesn't need censoring or translating or dubbing. Considering it's 'free' to release here, to not get content is frustrating. The reasons being business related and the content being sold to the likes of Sky rather than Netflix, I suppose.
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The whole TV syndications and distribution system is mental. I've had friends in the broadcasting industry try, repeatedly, to explain why it works how it works and it makes no sense to me other than from the perspective of people trying to preserve their bottom lines and relevance. But I think content providers are beginning to realise the potential advantage of cutting out middle men and their desire to bundle and subsidise (and I know what this sometimes has to be done). HBO on AppleTV is hugely significant and hopefully in 10 years time things will be markedly better. Of course, it could be markedly worse - can you imagine if the only way to get games was via EA's subscription system on Xbox One and you had to subscribe to each publisher? That'd sure get expensive real quick.
 
ThePissartist said:
Alternatively, change your DNS settings and get the US Netflix - problem solved..
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Blimey, not this again. Changing your DNS will only fool basic IP-checking systems. You realise that to stream video to you that Netflix needs to have your actual IP which are easily mapped on a geographic basis.

What you want is a proxy but Netflix have some fairly decent proxy-counter systems. Not that I've tried. Nope. :nope:

edit: I'm not repeating all this again - https://forum.beyond3d.com/posts/1808590/
 
The available programmes changed significantly after I updated it though. I checked the settings and it suggested I was based in the US. Only a temporary solution?
 
ThePissartist said:
The available programmes changed significantly after I updated it though. I checked the settings and it suggested I was based in the US. Only a temporary solution?
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I've had US Netflix work for a month or two then refuse to work thereafter. I don't understand why IP origin checks aren't undertaken during login but I've long suspected that Netflix US don't care as long as they're being paid. They have measures in place to make long term abuse a concerted effort on the part of the abuser and that probably satisfies whatever requirements they have with content providers.

A private proxy server works fine - not that I would know :nope: Commercial/free proxy servers are likely to get tracked down and added to their blacklist.
 
Good article discussing Netflix region blocks (mostly talking about Canada but applies elsewhere), specifically how they are required by content providers:

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/04/...ock-but-acknowledges-technology-is-imperfect/

Here's an excerpt of Sony's requirements:

3.1 Licensee must utilize an industry standard geolocation service to verify that a Registered User is located in the Territory that must:
3.1.1. provide geographic location information based on DNS registrations, WHOIS databases and Internet subnet mapping.
3.1.2. provide geolocation bypass detection technology designed to detect IP addresses located in the Territory, but being used by Registered Users outside the Territory.
3.1.3. use such geolocation bypass detection technology to detect known web proxies, DNS based proxies, anonymizing services and VPNs which have been created for the primary intent of bypassing geo-restrictions.
3.2. Licensee shall use such information about Registered User IP addresses as provided by the industry standard geolocation service to prevent access to Included Programs, via the SVOD Service, from Registered Users outside the Territory.
3.3. Both geolocation data and geolocation bypass data must be updated no less frequently than every two (2) weeks.
3.4. Licensee agrees to periodically review geofiltering tactics during the Term of this Agreement.
3.5. Licensor acknowledges that Internet Protocol (IP) based geolocation and geofiltering technologies may in some cases be circumvented by highly proficient and determined individuals or organizations.
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I wish Sony would make Mark Cerny head of their media arm instead of continually hiring a "Mr. Burns" to try to out evil the previous regime.
 
deathindustrial said:
I wish Sony would make Mark Cerny head of their media arm instead of continually hiring a "Mr. Burns" to try to out evil the previous regime.
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How would a software and hardware engineer be of use in contract negotiations? :???: I think Sony are basically stuck with whatever ongoing rights distribution agreements they have and this may take years to change.
 
DSoup said:
Why don't you ask Australians and Germans how they feel about their countries censorship of content but particularly video games. Or countries like Poland, the Czech Republic and Ukraine. Malaysia and Singapore as well.
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well, I'm not aware of any games censorship in the Czech Republic ... sure, we don't have some services available (Netflix, etc.) and games doesn't have localized voiceovers and only some have localized subtitles, but this is not a problem, at least kids will learn English.
 
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