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If you take apart a PS2 or PS3 pad you see it's just a standard rubber dome switch. Even the L2/R2 triggers use rubber dome switches. It's not more mechanically complicated, and I doubt the cost difference is more than a matter of fractions of a penny really. At most.
Like I said... It's a rubber dome. There aren't any super special really complicated, no-economics-of-scale rubber dome switches. It's silicone, with a bit of carbon powder or whatever mixed in in the central pad to provide conductivity. How complex could it possibly be, do you think?
Not sure I see the key use for a touchpad, set-top box or not. D-pads and sticks work well enough for any tasks you need in a game console, as evidenced by the fairly successful XMB interface the PS3 uses for example.
I doubt we'll see any general apps for PS4 that would really NEED more diverse input methods for whatever reason, what would be the motivational factor be? The PS4 will be a closed system, it won't be intended for content generation, just consumption. There won't be an app marketplace like there is for iOS or Android.
arijoytunir
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No 4k! 
No 4k!
So that means that hardware feature will be impossible to use on the PS4 since all games will be targeting 4K!
Deep color isn't 12 bits per pixels, it's 36 bits. It's 12bits per component.
If there's only one plane for games, it will need an intermediate buffer after the scaling to do what Durango does with their 3 planes. That can make a difference for games with dynamic resolution.
If there's only one plane for games, it will need an intermediate buffer after the scaling to do what Durango does with their 3 planes. That can make a difference for games with dynamic resolution.
In seriousness, I guess, as no surprise to most of us, PS4 won't targeting 4k in any degree if the UI won't be rendered 4k native. It may have 4k BRD playback but otherwise I expect all rendering to be 1080p max and upscaled on the TV, which makes far more sense. But that also suggests not even 4k web browsing.So that means that hardware feature will be impossible to use on the PS4 since all games will be targeting 4K!
Then again, that may only be hardware for games to pass through, and perhaps Sony will have access to the FB for rendering OS (presumably not XMB any more) in 4k?
£300 UK RRP. I can imagine it doing very well at that price.
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At work I was just reviewing state-by-state unemployment and underemployment figures, states effectively still in a recession, and realistic growth (GDP) and employment expectations with an eye toward inflation... hmmm, $299 seems like a much better price, at least by 2014 (some of you have already pledged your souls to buy a new console, regardless of that price, so that in consideration $499 launch price with special sauce big HDD).
Bagel seed
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Launch consoles will sell out, even at $500. Doesn't make sense to leave money on the table like that. There will be enough buyers out there, recession or not. And I'm not buying the 300€ rumor either.
Leave those price points for a price drop a year later when manufacturing is in full swing with good supply.
Leave those price points for a price drop a year later when manufacturing is in full swing with good supply.
Silent_Buddha
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[edit: bleh I quoted the wrong person originally, fixed now.]
This far into the global recession with no end in sight, and I think 499 USD would be pushing it.
Even 399 USD, I find questionable whether either company will be able to shift a lot of units. But at least it's possible. 499 USD? Very doubtful, IMO.
I could potentially see a 399/499 USD dual tier SKU setup where the 499 USD SKU can easily be reconfigured into the 399 USD SKU if it fails to sell in high enough quantities.
Regards,
SB
This far into the global recession with no end in sight, and I think 499 USD would be pushing it.
Even 399 USD, I find questionable whether either company will be able to shift a lot of units. But at least it's possible. 499 USD? Very doubtful, IMO.
I could potentially see a 399/499 USD dual tier SKU setup where the 499 USD SKU can easily be reconfigured into the 399 USD SKU if it fails to sell in high enough quantities.
Regards,
SB
That makes an assumption that supply will be limited. What if Sony can manufacture 20-25 million a year? Starting low means faster adoption and growth. I'd choose that over 6 million first year sales at $500. One can even argue in these days of super selling devices, anything less than a million a month won't get any attention!
What does NYS look like
...I am fine with with $399 if the tech is a significant leap over current gen. Maybe Star Wars 1313 720 60fps or 1080p 30fps?
That's a risk to manufacture those kinds of volumes. They'd be paying to build up a big supply chain and lock up contract manufacturing capacity.
Then if the inventory doesn't move that fast ...
US has anemic growth and the EU is in recession, some countries probably in Depression. Yet, there are tens of millions of tablets being moved every quarter, at an ASP of over $300 and probably several times as much smart phones, at ASPs over $600.
Restaurants in some areas are full, international flights are full and in some pockets, homes are going for over the asking price. Last year at least, you would see homes in Spain and Italy in small towns being listed still at a pretty high price (on the windows of realty offices).
Stock market is up to levels before the financial crisis so some people must be feeling the "wealth effect."
So there's still money out there but who knows where next gen consoles rank among the discretionary purchases for people with money.
Then if the inventory doesn't move that fast ...
US has anemic growth and the EU is in recession, some countries probably in Depression. Yet, there are tens of millions of tablets being moved every quarter, at an ASP of over $300 and probably several times as much smart phones, at ASPs over $600.
Restaurants in some areas are full, international flights are full and in some pockets, homes are going for over the asking price. Last year at least, you would see homes in Spain and Italy in small towns being listed still at a pretty high price (on the windows of realty offices).
Stock market is up to levels before the financial crisis so some people must be feeling the "wealth effect."
So there's still money out there but who knows where next gen consoles rank among the discretionary purchases for people with money.
Silent_Buddha
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Restaurants and airlines have all contracted. They are full because there are fewer of them. In the US alone there are roughly half (or less) the International US based Airlines as there was 10 years ago. And of those that remain, they now offer fewer international flights than they did 10 years ago.
Many restaurants in my area have gone out of business in the past 10 years, without many new ones replacing them.
But that said, there's always optimistic people. I have the same people telling me every year that that the economy is improving for sure now. Only to have it remain stagnant or get worse. But year after year, they believe it is getting better now even if there's no real signs to support it.
I've actually extended the minimum time period I was expecting for a potential recovery due to almost no governments (especially not the US) doing what is required to actually pull off a recovery. As I said before to many friends and acquaintances, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
I'm fully expecting Korea to be headed for a large crash which will be a potentially large setback to global economic recovery. Their credit bubble is getting ridiculously large.
Anyway, speaking of smartphones and tablets selling for so much. People can justify those as combining needed functionality (cell phone) with what they think they need (text/video chat) and what they want to use to distract themselves from the world around them (everything else). Consoles currently only operate as a distraction. If there was a choice of where someone had to spend their money, it'll likely go to the smartphones first, then tablets, then consoles. Just due to the variety of things they can do.
This next generation of consoles may change that around a bit depending on how well they do the set top box/non-gaming related living room experience bit while also offering gaming that is unavailable in anything other than a PC at prices that can't be matched. Which means pricing it cheaper than a more useful cell phone, and a more portable good/expensive tablet.
Regards,
SB
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