News & Rumours: Playstation 4/ Orbis *spin*

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So Sony's big problem is they don't know why sales are so high. What a terrible problem to have! :yep2:

Yeah. Having a runaway freight train of an install base in the licensing business is a nice problem to have. They will definitely be in the drivers seat at the negotiation tables.
 
Some particularly cool features in there is that you can apparently project your gameplay recordings in the feed, and use MP3s from a USB stick for background music, etc.
Unless Sony have done a deal with the recording companies, I'm pretty sure that's copyright violation as a form of musical broadcast. Interesting where that goes.
 
Unless Sony have done a deal with the recording companies, I'm pretty sure that's copyright violation as a form of musical broadcast. Interesting where that goes.

You, like a good record exec should :yep2:, seem to be assuming that the music being played has such copyright or license restrictions around it. Instead of looking at from the perspective that a user could use an open license, user created content, or use something played with permission or encouraged by the artist. Hopefully this does not blow up in their faces, and SCE won't feel the need to be the confidential informant, police, judge, jury and executioner all at the same time when it comes to stuff like this. Especially since there are content ID systems in place on various systems.

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Put simply, the burden to ensure the music being played is appropriately licensed should fall on the user and not the application being used to play it. The service being used to broadcast it, seems to have shoulder some of that burden as well, for better or worse.
 
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Unless Sony have done a deal with the recording companies, I'm pretty sure that's copyright violation as a form of musical broadcast. Interesting where that goes.

Its only a violation if user gets caught. :D

Sony does not care about regulating it, but Twitch, Ustream and YouTube have their own detection measures [UStream presumably broadcasts everything without limits for now].
 
Its only a violation if user gets caught. :D

Sony does not care about regulating it, but Twitch, Ustream and YouTube have their own detection measures [UStream presumably broadcasts everything without limits for now].
Youtube didn't care about regulating it either... until they go sued by Viacom for a billion dollar. :???:
 
Unless Sony have done a deal with the recording companies, I'm pretty sure that's copyright violation as a form of musical broadcast. Interesting where that goes.

I'm not up on all the copyright stuff, especially live streaming... So if a gamer has a music track or radio playing in the background during a live-streaming gaming session, they are in violating copyrights acts? If so, that sucks... :???:
 
I thought the editing option in the XB1 and PS4's ability to record gaming footage did provide the option to edit with other sounds
 
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at least twitch promise that they wont do the copyright detection for live streaming (for now).

but from my understanding, all of that are in grey area of law?

from the remix, and fair use perspective, it should be legal and protected. But from copyright holder eyes, you are profiting from their IP.

Sony itself are a big company that maybe... can strongarm the copyright holder?

so currently, copyright holder can just throw take-down request without consequence and attacking our right for "innocent until proven guilty". So.. the reality is all of us are "guilty until proven innocent".
With sony power, maybe they can make it "innocent until proven guilty" and copyright holder that falsely acuse for 3 times will get banned for life (company are considered as person in U.S.).
 
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at least twitch promise that they wont do the copyright detection for live streaming (for now).

but from my understanding, all of that are in grey area of law?
Not really. You purchase a music license in order to listen to the music. You don't buy it for public broadcast. This is pretty easy to understand when you look at the radio - radio broadcasts have to pay for every play of a song. If it were free to broadcast, they'd just buy a CD and be done with it. This extends to any performance. Any use of a piece of music in a theatre production, for example, should be licensed.

from the remix, and fair use perspective,
Fair use doesn't cover free use. You can't use a song as a background track for your video without licensing it. I don't know how YouTube handles it. Are those links to soundtracks added by the uploader, or magically detected?

Sony itself are a big company that maybe... can strongarm the copyright holder?
Ha ha ha ha ha! the copyright companies are the embodiment of obsessive evil. They lack all reason and sense and are damned hypocrites too, with recorded examples of lifting people's work without seeking copyright.

so currently, copyright holder can just throw take-down request
Yep. But as I understand it the Digital Millennium Whatnot act means that anyway. Even game footage can be taken down as a copyright infringement. It also doesn't need any proof. The person who feels copyright has been violated puts in a request and it's taken down, and then people argue about it. However, it's pretty obvious when some is using a piece of content, so it's just a matter of proving one had the right to use it.

It's also worth noting that covers are copyright violations, and all those kids on YT singing their favourite songs to the camera could have their vids pulled. That sort of action is considered more trouble than it's worth.

With sony power, maybe they can make it "innocent until proven guilty" and copyright holder that falsely acuse for 3 times will get banned for life (company are considered as person in U.S.).
It's not that complicated. If you have a piece of music you like that you bought, and play it in the background of a video, whether on YouTube or Twitch or whatever, you are technically in copyright violation (unless the service somehow has arranged some licensing deal). Whether the publishing companies will want to put a stop to that sort of thing or not, I don't know.

One solution would be something like Spotify, where you can't play music MP3s directly but you can combine with a streamed copy of the song for which a license fee is paid. Or the MP3 source is recognised and Sony or whoever pays a fee, and then slaps advertising over the feeds to pay for it.
 
If they make a deal with the music industry, they could allow the music unlimited service to be used for any gaming video. Basically paying a bulk license for anyone using any track on gaming streams. Then Sony can flag these on the streaming provider as being legit and paid for, and put the artist/track in the description automatically, that would avoid a systematic DMCA takedown, and good business for the artists.

...or simpler solution, the music industry could just stop being 100% dicks.
 
Not really. You purchase a music license in order to listen to the music. You don't buy it for public broadcast. This is pretty easy to understand when you look at the radio - radio broadcasts have to pay for every play of a song. If it were free to broadcast, they'd just buy a CD and be done with it. This extends to any performance. Any use of a piece of music in a theatre production, for example, should be licensed.

It's funny that DJs for the most part aren't punished, especially DJ'ing for large venues (50k-100k). It's acceptable for them on promoting an artist, even established artist, to thousands & thousands of people, yet unacceptable for a gamer to stream his favorite tunes during gaming to a few hundred.
 
...or simpler solution, the music industry could just stop being 100% dicks.
To be fair, there is a legitimate issue. Someone could buy a load of CDs, stick the music in a video playlist, and then have people listen to it like a radio station/Spotify playlist. That would clearly be a violation of fair use. The issue is coming up with a set of rules and systems that enable (and thus qualify) fair, legitimate use without treading on the fiscal rights on content creators. With any system, if you afford freedoms, some people will take advantage of them, whereas if you try to stamp those liberties out completely, you trample on the fair use of honest users.

I'm guessing at the moment Twitch feeds have such naff audio that no-one is going to bothered about broadcasts. There must be something in the Twitch T&Cs that covers this, so it could be Sony don't have to do anything themselves.
 
It's funny that DJs for the most part aren't punished, especially DJ'ing for large venues (50k-100k). It's acceptable for them on promoting an artist, even established artist, to thousands & thousands of people, yet unacceptable for a gamer to stream his favorite tunes during gaming to a few hundred.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_DJ_licensing

It's of course at the copyright holder's discretion whether to enforce or not. But a DJ event is a once-off. An internet recording of the same song used at an event could be listened to repeatedly and whenever the listener wanted, effectively providing them with a streamed digital copy.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_DJ_licensing

It's of course at the copyright holder's discretion whether to enforce or not. But a DJ event is a once-off. An internet recording of the same song used at an event could be listened to repeatedly and whenever the listener wanted, effectively providing them with a streamed digital copy.

And the top djs get paid enormous amounts of money and they do it by playing other people's songs.

For me it's simple, whatever "girl playing drinking beer" has of audience it's hardly for commercial gain and the audience is very small, the quality SUCKS, it's only free pr for whatever artists she choose to play.

Hell there are already djs playing in playroom sessions.
 
Sony itself are a big company that maybe... can strongarm the copyright holder?
One thing to note is that often Sony is the copyright holder. They were caught putting rootkits on music CDs, so the corporate direction is not coming from a consumer starting point.


If they make a deal with the music industry, they could allow the music unlimited service to be used for any gaming video. Basically paying a bulk license for anyone using any track on gaming streams.
Could they call the service Music Unlimited?
One thing that could happen, if awkwardly, is to somehow allow PS videos the ability to store a pointer to a Music Unlimited track for those subscribed to one of the services.
 
It's funny that DJs for the most part aren't punished, especially DJ'ing for large venues (50k-100k). It's acceptable for them on promoting an artist, even established artist, to thousands & thousands of people, yet unacceptable for a gamer to stream his favorite tunes during gaming to a few hundred.

DJs definitly have to pay for performance rights.
 
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