New Zelda scans

[Kolgar]

The same would apply to any other character as well (also non Nintendo franchises of course). Crash Bandicoot comes to mind - a character that is cartoon by heart and was designed around the limitations of the PlayStation. Naughty Dog in some interview stated why they gave up the rights and created Jak & Daxter. Think about it: Crash was the PlayStation's best selling franchise - why would they not want to continue him? Maybe, just maybe, they knew that they already took him as far as they could on the PlayStation? Make him look more realistic on PS2? Sure, why not - but then he would become something he was not... a more realistic character appealing to a more adult orientated crowd? I don't think so. Maybe if Nintendo would make new characters based around a more adult orientated theme, maybe less people would expect that from the Mario & Co games?

Phil, you make good points throughout, and you are exactly right about Naughty Dog's reasons for dropping Crash - I remember reading the same thing.

To address your last question about if Nintendo would make new characters based on more adult themes... I say THIS is why Nintendo needs third parties.

Anyone can see that Nintendo itself is clearly the Disney of video games. They're synonymous with kid-friendly fare... They're not going to put out a "snuff film" like GTA, no matter how well this type of graphic and violent game sells today.

So they need someone to fill the holes in their lineup.

But can it work? Even if Nintendo were to allow such games on its system (both because they're controversial and because they'd compete for profits with Nintendo's own games), would anyone want to put them there? Does Rockstar think they can successfully sell GTA to an audience that plays Mario and Zelda?

I doubt it. So I think the easy answer is that Nintendo stays Nintendo, i.e., synonymous with kids' games, because that's what their brand now stands for. Should they ever want to transform into something else, or expand their offerings to include mature games, I think it will prove a challenge.

The games stay the same, the look stays the same. Sure, we'll get our CGI-quality Mario eventually, but he'll look like CGI Mario - not Ron Jeremy in a Mario costume.

Meanwhile, people like me need to accept Nintendo for what it is and stop expecting them to "grow up." As the Disney of video games, they're not going to give me my Sevens or Texas Chainsaw Massacres. If I want those, I'll have to go somewhere else. Because that's not Nintendo.

 

[PC-Engine]

GCN has a nice mix of games for all age groups, but I'm not sure a GTA game would sell well on a Nintendo platform not because it's an adult oriented game, but simply because it's a crappy.

 

[Readykilowatt]

Zelda 2005 will be the game of the year for 2005, which will also be the best game ever created.

 

[London Geezer]

GCN has a nice mix of games for all age groups, but I'm not sure a GTA game would sell well on a Nintendo platform not because it's an adult oriented game, but simply because it's a crappy.

About 30M gamers agree with you.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

There are some exceptionally hot new pics at Jeux-France. Remember the fire monster from the trailer? It's at least a couple of times bigger now, seemingly..

http://www.jeux-france.com/news9703_the-legend-of-zelda---plus-d-images.html

Mighty impressive beast.

 

[Iron Tiger]

Phil, you make good points throughout, and you are exactly right about Naughty Dog's reasons for dropping Crash - I remember reading the same thing.

To address your last question about if Nintendo would make new characters based on more adult themes... I say THIS is why Nintendo needs third parties.

Anyone can see that Nintendo itself is clearly the Disney of video games. They're synonymous with kid-friendly fare... They're not going to put out a "snuff film" like GTA, no matter how well this type of graphic and violent game sells today.

So they need someone to fill the holes in their lineup.

But can it work? Even if Nintendo were to allow such games on its system (both because they're controversial and because they'd compete for profits with Nintendo's own games), would anyone want to put them there? Does Rockstar think they can successfully sell GTA to an audience that plays Mario and Zelda?

I doubt it. So I think the easy answer is that Nintendo stays Nintendo, i.e., synonymous with kids' games, because that's what their brand now stands for. Should they ever want to transform into something else, or expand their offerings to include mature games, I think it will prove a challenge.

The games stay the same, the look stays the same. Sure, we'll get our CGI-quality Mario eventually, but he'll look like CGI Mario - not Ron Jeremy in a Mario costume.

Meanwhile, people like me need to accept Nintendo for what it is and stop expecting them to "grow up." As the Disney of video games, they're not going to give me my Sevens or Texas Chainsaw Massacres. If I want those, I'll have to go somewhere else. Because that's not Nintendo.

I wish the terms "mature" and "kiddie" weren't bandied about as if they were synonymous with "adult themed/oriented" and "child themed/oriented". Find me a kid that can beat Super Mario Sunshine, and that'll be a mature kid. Behind the "kiddie" appearane, Nintendo has some incredibly challenging games. Mario Sunshine, F-Zero GX, Waverace Blue Storm, and a few others have sold lots of controller replacements to people that have thrown theirs across the room in frustration.

"Mature" titles like GTA have limited appeal in their shock content, for most adults, but it's the pubescent teens that can't get enough of killing hookers and creating mass mayhem. Mortal Kombat steadily went downhill with sequels that were more about outgoring the prior installations, than advancing gameplay. When they relaunched the series on current gen platforms with a focus on gameplay, sales surged.

Violence and vulgarity doesn't make media mature. It just makes it into something you don't want your kids exposed to. Conker looks as kid friendly as it gets, but the content is anything but.

 

[Kolgar]

Violence and vulgarity doesn't make media mature. It just makes it into something you don't want your kids exposed to.

I'm talking "mature" in the sense that the content isn't appropriate for kids. Not "mature" in the sense of challenge.

People don't primarily choose games based on challenge. They choose games with content they like. What themes do they find appealing?

Maybe games like GTA are limited in appeal (strange, then, that they stay at the tops of the sales charts for so long), but Nintendo basically offers ONE type of game - the family friendly Disney type.

That's why they've been branded kiddie - they offer too little content that appeals to mature (adult-themed) tastes.

 

[Iron Tiger]

Violence and vulgarity doesn't make media mature. It just makes it into something you don't want your kids exposed to.

I'm talking "mature" in the sense that the content isn't appropriate for kids. Not "mature" in the sense of challenge.

People don't primarily choose games based on challenge. They choose games with content they like. What themes do they find appealing?

Maybe games like GTA are limited in appeal (strange, then, that they stay at the tops of the sales charts for so long), but Nintendo basically offers ONE type of game - the family friendly Disney type.

That's why they've been branded kiddie - they offer too little content that appeals to mature (adult-themed) tastes.

That's the type of mixed language I'm trying to steer away from. Adult entertainment is not necessarily mature. When we are children, we want to be "mature", but as adults we find that maturity is having a deeper understanding of things, and not being swayed by superficiality. Not all adults are mature, and maturity isn't exclusively held by adults.

I ditched school when I was 16 to watch Showgirls when it came out in the theater. The movie wasn't for kids, but then it wasn't mature either. I don't know any well-adjusted adults that like that movie. On the other hand we have a movie like Bound, which is mature in its use of sexuality as a story-telling aid. Sure, you could get off to it, but there's a lot more to find appealing in it.

Maybe games like GTA are limited in appeal (strange, then, that they stay at the tops of the sales charts for so long)

I said the mature content of the game has limited appeal. If there was nothing more to the game than senseless violence and vulgarity, it wouldn't sell. Just look at all the failed GTA clones that were built solely around the "mature" part of the formula.

 

[Kolgar]

That's the type of mixed language I'm trying to steer away from. Adult entertainment is not necessarily mature.

Point taken, but most people don't distinguish between the two. And anyway, the "M" rating DOES stand for "mature."

 

[Iron Tiger]

That's the type of mixed language I'm trying to steer away from. Adult entertainment is not necessarily mature.

Point taken, but most people don't distinguish between the two. And anyway, the "M" rating DOES stand for "mature."

Understood, but I like to believe that the Beyond3D community is not made up of "most people".

 

[Kolgar]

It's not, but then, I doubt most B3D'ers are grammarians, either. I feel you're splitting hairs, but all semantics aside, I think we get each other.

 

[Megadrive1988]

more scans can be found on Baddd megadrive baddd!

 

[Evil_Cloud]

more scans can be found on Baddd megadrive baddd!

here?

These are pictures taken from EGM.


guys come on no scans from magazines

 

[Farid]

more scans can be found on Baddd megadrive baddd!

here?

These are pictures taken from EGM.

The Baddd megadrive baddd! part was an edit made by jvd or Sonic.

Scans are not tolerated anymore, that's why.

 

[Evil_Cloud]

Oh, my bad I didn't know that. I won't do it again.

 

[London Geezer]

more scans can be found on Baddd megadrive baddd!

here?

These are pictures taken from EGM.


guys come on no scans from magazines

Wow that's like a loophole. click one that and it takes you to the same post, keep clicking and you'll fall into a black hole.

 

[jvd]

I got my insperation from one of those joke cards that says "How to keep an idiot entertained for hours , Please flip over." Then says the same thing on the other side. I see it caught you in an endless loop . Just as I intened and now with you out of the way I cna take over the world !!!!


Seriously guys not many rules to follow over here so lets try not to break the ones we do have

 

[Squeak]

Phil: Sorry for the late reply and I apologise for calling you a moron, the word I should have used was moronic, or maybe "not so well thought through". I can see how you may have perceived it as an aggressive personal attack.
I'm just tired of seeing the same old misconceptions and clichés about Nintendo and their characters being thrown uncritically around again and again.
Where are all those other oh so mature and complex characters, that Nintendo need to look to for inspiration?
Main characters, or other characters you need to have emphatic feelings towards, are almost always rather simple and/or stereotypical for well documented psychological reasons.

 

[Megadrive1988]

schwing ^__^

there are yet more new/newer images of Zelda on Jeux-France.
note: the newer screens *are* mixed in with a few older ones.

even if not technically that impressive, the new Zelda is looking wonderful overall. not because the graphics are so great (they have their moments) but because the art is good and the style seems just right, and hopefully the gameplay, will just SHINE.

 

[Iron Tiger]

schwing ^__^

there are yet more new/newer images of Zelda on Jeux-France.
note: the newer screens *are* mixed in with a few older ones.

even if not technically that impressive, the new Zelda is looking wonderful overall. not because the graphics are so great (they have their moments) but because the art is good and the style seems just right, and hopefully the gameplay, will just SHINE.

But the animation sucks compared to The Wind Waker.