New PS4 Smell

[Grall]

Graz.

I re-arranged my A/V bench with my TV and consoles, and now both PS4 and WiiU both stand vertically next to each other, looking really nice and slick together. Too bad the USB slots aren't located on the rear side of PS4, so you can keep those unsightly cables hidden away when not needed...

 

[JPT]

I'll second this. The IP addresses provided by DNS servers can (and do) vary depending on your location and/or the location of the DNS servers - often the latter.

If I resolve www.google.com from London, I'll get a different IP address from a local DNS server than I would from a US DNS server because the DNS tables are localised not only by region but also change depending my load and fault tolerances. And I have no doubt that Sony do the exact same localisation for their servers. If you are deliberately using a non-local DNS server then it could be routing you to something local (relatively in global terms) to it, but not you.

I'd be interested to see a traceroute report from your IP to Sony's servers. It may be quite telling!

Sony uses Akamai so hopefully your ISP got an Akamai server in their network, like mine does

 

[Deleted member 11852]

Sony uses Akamai so hopefully your ISP got an Akamai server in their network, like mine does

The answer is the same: which server farm is he being directed too? One close to him (based on his actual IP) or one close to the DNS service he is using?

 

[RenegadeRocks]

I am a noob in networks, here is a traceroute I did for sonyenterntainmentnetwork.com:

What does this tell you guys?

 

[JPT]

That this trace goes through Mumbai, Paris and Munich before ending up somewhere in Germany from the looks of it (internetx.de).

When having akamai servers as an ISP you can decide if it should only serve your local network or also out if it. But uplink traffic destined for international places costs the ISP more, so they usually put som limitation on that.

We spoke with our ISP way back when about getting fiber to our office ( we are talking about 10 years ago) we got a great price, but they said national traffic was unlimited, but international was bandwidth limited to 5Mbps.
Problem was the installation fee of €40K since they had to shutdown a highway for a night and dig across it to put in the fiber....

 

[RenegadeRocks]

^so, what should I do to make the route smaller? I mean how do I go about it? Whats the next step once we know that is going in circles before ending up where it wants to?
I am in India( hence th mumbai) I was expecting the connection to end at Singapore , not germany.

 

[JPT]

^so, what should I do to make the route smaller? I mean how do I go about it? Whats the next step once we know that is going in circles before ending up where it wants to?
I am in India( hence th mumbai) I was expecting the connection to end at Singapore , not germany.

First of are you using your ISP's DNS servers? Or at least DNS servers located in India?

If yes, then its not much you can do, except give your ISP a call and ask them about why your access to PSN network is redirected to Germany etc.

But why Singapore? Your trace shows a direct link between Mumbai and Paris.

 

[Gubbi]

First of are you using your ISP's DNS servers? Or at least DNS servers located in India?

If yes, then its not much you can do, except give your ISP a call and ask them about why your access to PSN network is redirected to Germany etc.

But why Singapore? Your trace shows a direct link between Mumbai and Paris.

It takes 20 ms to get from Mumbai to Munich/Germany, it takes 180 ms to get to Mumbai.

Looks like shitty infrastructure within India to me. The ISP (DGM Broadband) connects to Tata Communications (at node 4->5), who add a lot of latency (nodes 5-8).

Cheers

 

[JPT]

It takes 20 ms to get from Mumbai to Munich/Germany, it takes 180 ms to get to Mumbai.

Looks like shitty infrastructure within India to me. The ISP (DGM Broadband) connects to Tata Communications (at node 4->5), who add a lot of latency (nodes 5-8).

Cheers

Still good/bad latency does not mean there is a lot of bandwidth available. Albeit bad latency will slow you down.

Another thing I noticed is that sonynetworkentertainment.com or what it was also traces to Germany for me.

But when I tried a PSN url a while back, somebody posted it in this thread, it traced to an akamai server at my ISP.
So lets try to traceroute to that url in stead.....

 

[RenegadeRocks]

But Gubbi, I have had flawless downloads on this very infrastructure on this very ps4 and with this same DNS servers. The errors are happening after the latest system update. Even now my Warframe update, which happens inside the game, downloaded perfectly, while any other update via Sony stops after a 20-40 mins. Is the issue even DNS related or is it something else?

As for my ISP, they will know nothing. They will just come over and reset my router. They are govt agency and the people they send have no idea about their work.

How do I find a DNS server thats located here? Is there a repository I can search?

EDIT: Apparently I had misspelt the website last time, here is the correct trace:

As expected to Singapore, but the pings seem to vary like hell

 

[JPT]

But Gubbi, I have had flawless downloads on this very infrastructure on this very ps4 and with this same DNS servers. The errors are happening after the latest system update. Even now my Warframe update, which happens inside the game, downloaded perfectly, while any other update via Sony stops after a 20-40 mins. Is the issue even DNS related or is it something else?

As for my ISP, they will know nothing. They will just come over and reset my router. They are govt agency and the people they send have no idea about their work.

How do I find a DNS server thats located here? Is there a repository I can search?

Try to traceroute to this url a 4-5 times in a row, see what happens.
zeus.dl.playstation.net

But packets do not have to go the same way each time, this is packet switched not circuit switched networks.

Also Warframe might not even use Sony servers for download.

As for DNS servers in India

http://guide2net.net/tcpip/static/dns/dns.html

 

[RenegadeRocks]

Here:

 

[JPT]

So it sends you around the world when connecting to zeus.dl.playstation.net

Mine looks like this

traceroute: Warning: zeus.dl.playstation.net has multiple addresses; using 195.159.219.19
traceroute to a2047.d.akamai.net (195.159.219.19), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 172.16.16.254 (172.16.16.254) 2.548 ms 1.815 ms 1.997 ms
2 195.159.14.113 (195.159.14.113) 2.526 ms 3.637 ms 2.250 ms
3 s64b04.no.powertech.net (195.159.88.84) 3.013 ms 5.160 ms 2.531 ms
4 akamai-19.no.powertech.net (195.159.219.19) 2.814 ms 3.294 ms 2.736 ms
Jans-MacBook-Air-2:~ jpt$

But does it vary based on DNS servers also?
If you really want to dig into this, you can do a packet trace and I'll look at it for you. But it means there are some hoops to jump through ie installing wireshark and figuring out where we can sniff the traffic etc.

 

[RenegadeRocks]

As for DNS servers in India

http://guide2net.net/tcpip/static/dns/dns.html

THat info seems incorrect. My internet connection fails if I enter those servers mentioned for my city or any other city close by.

 

[RenegadeRocks]

So it sends you around the world when connecting to zeus.dl.playstation.net

Mine looks like this

traceroute: Warning: zeus.dl.playstation.net has multiple addresses; using 195.159.219.19
traceroute to a2047.d.akamai.net (195.159.219.19), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
1 172.16.16.254 (172.16.16.254) 2.548 ms 1.815 ms 1.997 ms
2 195.159.14.113 (195.159.14.113) 2.526 ms 3.637 ms 2.250 ms
3 s64b04.no.powertech.net (195.159.88.84) 3.013 ms 5.160 ms 2.531 ms
4 akamai-19.no.powertech.net (195.159.219.19) 2.814 ms 3.294 ms 2.736 ms
Jans-MacBook-Air-2:~ jpt$

But does it vary based on DNS servers also?
If you really want to dig into this, you can do a packet trace and I'll look at it for you. But it means there are some hoops to jump through ie installing wireshark and figuring out where we can sniff the traffic etc.

Tell me how to do it, not being able to download anything on the ps4 isn't a happy situation.

But what do you make of the fact that I can download on the ps3 without any issues?

 

[JPT]

It can be as you suspect an issue with the PS4, it can be that the PS3 uses other servers etc etc.

I will send you msg on PM in regards to packet trace.

 

[BoardBonobo]

Just for reference mine is:

traceroute to zeus.dl.playstation.net (2.21.243.48), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254) 1.659 ms 2.310 ms 2.638 ms
2 217.32.141.40 (217.32.141.40) 31.299 ms 32.943 ms 34.974 ms
3 217.32.141.110 (217.32.141.110) 36.844 ms 38.676 ms 40.727 ms
4 217.41.222.2 (217.41.222.2) 46.646 ms 47.967 ms 49.832 ms
5 31.55.164.251 (31.55.164.251) 51.745 ms 53.649 ms 55.568 ms
6 31.55.164.109 (31.55.164.109) 56.546 ms 33.773 ms 143.751 ms
7 acc2-10GigE-0-3-0-5.bm.21cn-ipp.bt.net (109.159.248.244) 144.017 ms acc2-10GigE-0-3-0-7.bm.21cn-ipp.bt.net (109.159.248.246) 144.673 ms acc2-10GigE-0-3-0-5.bm.21cn-ipp.bt.net (109.159.248.244) 145.514 ms
8 core2-te0-13-0-4.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.248.138) 146.742 ms core2-te0-3-0-14.ealing.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.248.154) 147.392 ms core1-te0-10-0-7.ilford.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.248.144) 148.324 ms
9 peer4-te0-1-0-11.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (109.159.255.89) 149.491 ms 150.274 ms peer4-te-0-3-0-1.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net (62.172.102.25) 148.833 ms
10 195.99.126.154 (195.99.126.154) 155.396 ms 153.196 ms 156.081 ms
11 eth1-3.core1.lon1.uk.atrato.net (78.152.44.102) 150.717 ms 152.147 ms 152.576 ms
12 eth7-8.core1.ams2.nl.atrato.net (78.152.44.156) 69.648 ms 42.026 ms 41.614 ms
13 eth3-1.edge2.ams5.nl.atrato.net (78.152.44.34) 49.629 ms 50.387 ms 51.118 ms
14 eth1-6.edge2.ams5.nl.atrato.net (78.152.44.44) 52.358 ms 78.152.38.234 (78.152.38.234) 52.849 ms 54.087 ms
15 78.152.38.234 (78.152.38.234) 56.903 ms 2.21.243.48 (2.21.243.48) 58.338 ms 60.167 ms

 

[scf]

 

[Deleted member 11852]

I still don't care much about this although it'll bring Grall's blood pressure down so that's good. What I do want, 13 months after they vaunted it at the reveal and almost four months after launch, is the suspend/resume for games.

 

[scf]

I don't care either