My email interview about Xenos with Michael Doggett
- Thread starter pakpassion
- Start date
- Status
Bill said:
You are incorrect. The R520 does NOT have 40 ALUs. It has the equivalent of 24 ALUs at 625 mhz. In that email he was saying that if both chips had 8 pipes for Vertex, Xenos would have (2x) the amount of pixel alus than the R520.
Edit: or maybe I'm reading the email wrong
Last edited by a moderator:
SirTendeth
Newcomer
I would like to publicly apologies to Bill for my use of sarcasm. I hate it when it is used in a rude manner by posters, and yet I apparently couldn’t help but using it myself.
You are not my enemy, so sorry for being rude Bill.
Bill I would like to mention that you have seemingly have a bias against the 360, because it really reads as if you have direct issues with the design due to a brand preference. Not because there are real weaknesses to the design, which I am sure exist.
Would you please clarify your position if this is not the case, by studying the Xenos design in depth. And then try to couch your findings of fault, with greater care, as to not give the appearance of bias, if it isn’t there.
Or if there is bias and we all have it to some degree. Please admit it so that we can move on with the discussion. LB and Shifty have done it and I respect what they add to the community because of it.
I have a leaning to the 360 myself, but haven’t committed financial resources to either console yet. And I think the Xenos and Cell paradigms are design risks that offer lots of potential. I like to see companies step out of the box, so we will see.
You are not my enemy, so sorry for being rude Bill.
Bill I would like to mention that you have seemingly have a bias against the 360, because it really reads as if you have direct issues with the design due to a brand preference. Not because there are real weaknesses to the design, which I am sure exist.
Would you please clarify your position if this is not the case, by studying the Xenos design in depth. And then try to couch your findings of fault, with greater care, as to not give the appearance of bias, if it isn’t there.
Or if there is bias and we all have it to some degree. Please admit it so that we can move on with the discussion. LB and Shifty have done it and I respect what they add to the community because of it.
I have a leaning to the 360 myself, but haven’t committed financial resources to either console yet. And I think the Xenos and Cell paradigms are design risks that offer lots of potential. I like to see companies step out of the box, so we will see.
Bill is an admitted fan of the XBox (seemingly hardcore) - he simply feels that the graphics potential of the Xenos has been compromised by the use of an esoteric design such as the daughter-die arrangement, rather than dedicating those transistors to a larger 'core' GPU.
Bill this is what I've gotten from you over the last couple of days - feel free to correct me if I'm off.
But Sir Tendeth you're reading him wrong if you think he's a Sony fan. Rather he seems to feel betrayed by Microsoft and ATI on some level.
(I find myself acting as a Bill advocate in this situation since Bill doesn't seem willing to discuss Xenos without lashing out at the eDRAM any chance he gets)
Bill this is what I've gotten from you over the last couple of days - feel free to correct me if I'm off.
But Sir Tendeth you're reading him wrong if you think he's a Sony fan. Rather he seems to feel betrayed by Microsoft and ATI on some level.
(I find myself acting as a Bill advocate in this situation since Bill doesn't seem willing to discuss Xenos without lashing out at the eDRAM any chance he gets)
Last edited by a moderator:
SirTendeth
Newcomer
Thanks for sharing that, I haven’t tried to delve into his posting history. This was part of the reason for my apology.
If you would like to clarify further Bill go ahead.
From this thread I wasn't seeing heavily reasoned findings expressed, but I admit my bias would skew any interpretation I make.
I like daring innovation, even if it falls flat on it’s face, and we certainly haven’t given Xenos a full lifecycle to find out.
If you would like to clarify further Bill go ahead.
From this thread I wasn't seeing heavily reasoned findings expressed, but I admit my bias would skew any interpretation I make.
I like daring innovation, even if it falls flat on it’s face, and we certainly haven’t given Xenos a full lifecycle to find out.
I agree - I'm all about pushing the envelope. I like something fresh and bold, and Xenos certainly qualifies. Whether or not RSX 'beats' it or not, I'll probably follow it's developments closely. Certainly I hope RSX spices things up a little beyond being a straight G70 'port.'
SirTendeth
Newcomer
Me too.
It would be nice to think Nvidia will see technological growth on the PC side due to the PS3 venture.
It would be nice to think Nvidia will see technological growth on the PC side due to the PS3 venture.
Alpha_Spartan
Regular
And I'm a Swedish swimsuit model. We can be anything we want on the Internets! Weeeeeeeeeeee!xbdestroya said:
Alpha_Spartan said:
Uh - ok. Except that I don't think he was lying when he wrote it Alpha. Go over his past post histroy - I'm sure it will all become clear to you. The first page of that 'eDRAM sucks' thread is where he 'sets things straight' in that regard.
I have no reason to disbelieve him (or anyone else) out of hand.
SirTendeth
Newcomer
ROFL- the gollum pic in that context is very funny.
But seriously lets see the photo evidence.
But seriously lets see the photo evidence.
pakpassion
Banned
xbdestroya said:
have you considered the factor that either he is a kid? or...
pakpassion said:
No, I haven't considered that, since his thoughts - however rabid at times - are structured coherently. I have considered the possibility that you are a troll though pakpassion, and like others I wonder if you're 'onetimeposter' returned to us.
Certainly there are similarities - and he also was all about correspondence with company representatives.
And then that little reflexsive 'Heavenly Sword' action earlier in the thread after Deano posted...
But hey, like I said - I give people the benefit of the doubt.
xbdestroya said:Bill is an admitted fan of the XBox (seemingly hardcore) - he simply feels that the graphics potential of the Xenos has been compromised by the use of an esoteric design such as the daughter-die arrangement, rather than dedicating those transistors to a larger 'core' GPU.
Bill this is what I've gotten from you over the last couple of days - feel free to correct me if I'm off.
But Sir Tendeth you're reading him wrong if you think he's a Sony fan. Rather he seems to feel betrayed by Microsoft and ATI on some level.
(I find myself acting as a Bill advocate in this situation since Bill doesn't seem willing to discuss Xenos without lashing out at the eDRAM any chance he gets)
With ******s like Bill, MS doesnt need enemies!
Last edited by a moderator:
pakpassion
Banned
xbdestroya said:No, I haven't considered that, since his thoughts - however rabid at times - are structured coherently. I have considered the possibility that you are a troll though pakpassion, and like others I wonder if you're 'onetimeposter' returned to us.
Certainly there are similarities - and he also was all about correspondence with company representatives.
And then that little reflexsive 'Heavenly Sword' action earlier in the thread after Deano posted...
But hey, like I said - I give people the benefit of the doubt.
why are you getting so irritated with the contents of the email. i wonder why...xboxdestroyer
SirTendeth
Newcomer
It would be nice if this could be refocused on the post topic.
pakpassion said:
That's almost confirmation right there.
If you know me, you know the handle has nothing to do with anything.
BUT - to my knowledge it is only onetimeposter that used to engage in the practice of emailing the VP's and other execs, and posting their replys up here on the forum. Certainly if you were around back then, you could see where I might raise an eyebrow in suspicion, having noticed the similarities.
Let me just ask flat-out, and you can answer along with whatever other reply you address me with: *are* you onetimeposter?
(PS - the email contents don't irritate me, but you can keep putting words in my mouth if you like)
Last edited by a moderator:
- Status
