MS's "rush to next-gen could see the Xbox take a tumble
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Wake me up if/when it actually tumbles; until that happens the article is just boring speculation, and we have too much of that already... *yaaawwwnn*
Phil said:
Heh, u'd say that...
Kidding!Pepto-Bismol
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Marketing. Legal. Accounting. Engineering. Any way you cut it, the deck is stacked against them.
Only a fool would jump into the next generation console fray before Sony shows its hand.
Only a fool would jump into the next generation console fray before Sony shows its hand.
Pepto-Bismol said:
Marketing I get, but legal and accounting? How so? Could you specify what you mean by engineering too?
Only a fool would jump into the next generation console fray before Sony shows its hand.
Only a bigger fool would jump in at the same time, or after them. So does that mean Microsoft are foolish to even try to have a console? I don't think so, and reckon that getting in beofre Sony is Microsoft's best shot. They don't need to beat Sony next generation, just gain market share and stop the losses at some point.
I also think MS will know enough about Sony's hand to make an informed judgement about what they'll be up against.
DeanoC said:
I take it back then! If Sony isn't sure when (or precisely how?) they will be proceeding with the next gen, maybe this will give MS some opportunity to promote their next system to publishers and developers. Surely they would at least be tempted to go with a half decent plan they actually knew about in detail over a wildcard with an unknown timescale and unknown development requirements and support?
I think you will be amazed at what ms puts out and how close it will be to sony with over a year between the releases
The ps2 is aging badly now (really all of the systems) and a new console from any of the companys will make the current ones seem like 32x graphics) if ms can launch first , with powerfull hardware and a solid good looking line up it may be sony that was a fool .
Of course i still think nintendo is going to come out on top this gen
The ps2 is aging badly now (really all of the systems) and a new console from any of the companys will make the current ones seem like 32x graphics) if ms can launch first , with powerfull hardware and a solid good looking line up it may be sony that was a fool .
Of course i still think nintendo is going to come out on top this gen
jvd said:
Well, considering the U3 demo - which is just a tech demo and not even a real game! - makes current top of the line cards tank hard, the nextbox BETTER have the mother of all graphics chips to really fulfil those words. Because the X800 and 6800U sure run out of steam quickly when they're put to the task of a true next-gen engine (ie, not HL2 or D3), and they're the absolute best money can buy at the moment...
Pepto-Bismol
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function said:
Trust me. This is SO unfeasible!!
Watching the hemophilic Home and Entertainment unit bleed all over their financial legacy, Microsoft's core business units, who wield considerably more political clout within the company, are less likely to subsidize yet another harebrained Xbox scheme which, even proponents agree, will require more bloodletting.
You don't need a high school diploma to see the writing on the wall. In a for-profit business, it is only a matter of time before that deadbeat Microsoft Games Studios is orphaned by Home and Entertainment, which is all the more reason for conservatism.
Besides, that everything isn't so hunky dory at Microsoft Games is reflected in the extremely high turnover among its executives ....
Doesn't this sound like an antiphrasis to you?
If Microsoft throws caution to the wind and enters the next generation fray first, they will have sealed their own fate. How Xbox and its successor are crushed will be Sony's prerogative. PlayStation 2 could do the dirty work or PS3 ... or both.
Guden Oden said:
Remember unreal 3 engine is meant for the dx 9 cards to be the base cards to play it on . Just like doom 3 can be played on geforce 2 cards .
Ati trippled the speed of thier gpus in 18 months. Whos to say they can't do it again ?
Not to mention that the x800xt is cpu limited on almost all games and i can play farcry with 6x fsaa on my xp 2500 and get stead 30+ fps at 1027x768
But for those of you who expect better than u3 or eq2 graphics next gen are a little out of thier mind . Esp if u expect a move to hdtv res
Pepto-Bismol said:
For me to trust you, I would have to know what I was trusting you on! What you mean by "legal and accounting"? I was asking because I don't know what you're referring to ...
Watching the hemophilic Home and Entertainment unit bleed all over their financial legacy, Microsoft's core business units, who wield considerably more political clout within the company, are less likely to subsidize yet another harebrained Xbox scheme which, even proponents agree, will require more bloodletting.
You don't need a high school diploma to see the writing on the wall. In a for-profit business, it is only a matter of time before that deadbeat Microsoft Games Studios is orphaned by Home and Entertainment, which is all the more reason for conservatism.
Besides, that everything isn't so hunky dory at Microsoft Games is reflected in the extremely high turnover among its executives ....
Okay, but how would going in at the same time or after Sony make the situation any better? I don't think it would, hence my statement.
Doesn't this sound like an antiphrasis to you?
Not really...
If Microsoft throws caution to the wind and enters the next generation fray first, they will have sealed their own fate. How Xbox and its successor are crushed will be Sony's prerogative. PlayStation 2 could do the dirty work or PS3 ... or both.
As you've said, however, *why* would going in at the same time or after Sony be better for them? I don't see how it could be. Microsoft need to get noticed by consumers and build up support amongst the development community. Do you think there would be a better time to do this?
What is it that you think Microsoft could do if they waited? They went later this time, with a much faster machine that was more friendly to develop for, and got kicked in the shins. Assuming the PS3 is some technological beast that is unmatchable, how would going into it's PR wake, when developers had already got over initial hurdles with PS3 development be any better?
Microsoft may be screwed whatever they do, and it's executive may have learned nothing from round one and be about to make a foolish multi-billion dollar mistake, but I don't see how going earlier than Sony can't be at least as good as going at the same time or later than Sony. And probably better.
I'm interested in hearing the reasons behind your thinking ... not just precisely how bad things are going to end up for Microsoft!
Evil_Cloud
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I think Nintendo might stand a good chance when it has a lot of new and original IP's to launch it console, along with some 'updates' of legendary classics like Kid Icarus, some long awaited games like Pilotwings or Mother 3, and some big titles like Mario and Zelda. If they manage to get a lot of third party developers like Sega, Capcom, Namco,... on board exclusively (or at least some titles), they might do better the first years than this generation IMO.
But if they launch on Mario alone, they will suffer somewhat.
But if they launch on Mario alone, they will suffer somewhat.
Evil_Cloud said:
I think if they launch mario alone that is fine . As long as they have first party must haves every 3 to 4 months they will be fine .
Perhaps a mario / waverace / pilot wings for launch then a few months later a smash bros and metriod .
They need to spread out first party launchs. Just not by years. But by months
Evil_Cloud
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Strange though, they work with more and more people every year, but they still can't match the production number of first party titles they had during the SNES era.
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