MS buys vivendi games division?
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CaptainHowdy
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I didnt say they were not out to make profit..
but in the games, they do what they want, they
will not throw out crappy games just to make a buck...
which is pretty much all MS has done thus far.. Nintendo does
care about the games, they are gamers, they make games
they would love to play.. the MS reps are about as comfortable
with the games they show as Al Gore is trying to dance(do the robot anyone?)
but in the games, they do what they want, they
will not throw out crappy games just to make a buck...
which is pretty much all MS has done thus far.. Nintendo does
care about the games, they are gamers, they make games
they would love to play.. the MS reps are about as comfortable
with the games they show as Al Gore is trying to dance(do the robot anyone?)
CaptainHowdy said:
No, Nintendo would never release a crappy game just to make a quick buck... Only the never-ending altruistic of gaming greatness made them release the following gems on N64 alone.
Pokemon Puzzle League
Pokemon Snap
Pokemon Stadium
Pokemon Stadium 2
BenSkywalker
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Geeforcer-
How many of those games did you play? EGM has Pokemon Puzzle League as one of the best puzzle games ever made(I would have it second behind only Tetris), and the Pokemon Stadium titles were extremely popular and great titles for what they were supposed to be. Pokemon Snap I thought was pretty damn weak so i'd agree with you there. The other three titles were very good at what they were supposed to be. For Pokemon Puzzle League in particular, I assumed that it would be some crap title, the only reason I bought it was that it was clearanced for $5.00 at a store I happened to be in so I picked it up for the kids. Myself and my wife have more hours in to it then they do.
How many of those games did you play? EGM has Pokemon Puzzle League as one of the best puzzle games ever made(I would have it second behind only Tetris), and the Pokemon Stadium titles were extremely popular and great titles for what they were supposed to be. Pokemon Snap I thought was pretty damn weak so i'd agree with you there. The other three titles were very good at what they were supposed to be. For Pokemon Puzzle League in particular, I assumed that it would be some crap title, the only reason I bought it was that it was clearanced for $5.00 at a store I happened to be in so I picked it up for the kids. Myself and my wife have more hours in to it then they do.
I actually tried 3 of the above (Puzzle League, Snap and Stadium 2). Better (worse?) yet, I bought all 3 - Pokemon games were the easiest kids gift ideas. I found PL to be alright, but Snap and Stadium 2 were mediocre; the kids I bought them for loved them so who am I to argue. I stand by my (implied point): Nintendo has released poor games just to cash in on the trend.
CaptainHowdy
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Brimstone said:
added to the fact Rare was just not up to the QUALITY standards they used to be, they were just sitting on thier fat arses draining Nintendos money.
Captain has clearly gone back into fanboi mode... just ignore him. Thinking that nintendo makes games for the sake of making games, is purely fantical talk. ALL of these publishers makes games in HOPES of them being good and selling tons of copies. Period, it all comes down to the money. Catain, you can live in your dream world where people put out games for the better of the world. I'll live on planet earth...
I really thought you turned a corner recently with the fanism, but I was wrong...
I really thought you turned a corner recently with the fanism, but I was wrong...
CaptainHowdy
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Qroach said:
just because you are in a company that puts out rehashed cookie cutter CRAP, doesnt mean the whole world is like that..
I think Celda and Pikmin speak for themselves that Nintendo is going with thier own visions, instead of trying to suck up the mass market, they have said and proven time and time again, they are content with thier position, to make games the way they want to make them. I can imagine that idea is foreign to you, but to me, it makes perfect since.
as a musician, personally, my band could make a lot of money as a Smashing pumpkins Tribute band, we can sound exactly like them if we want, its been offered that we do so, we could also sell out and go country since that is what 90% of this area listens to, I would certainly be making a LOT of money doing so. But I stick with my creative freedom, I have to do what I personally want to do, the ideas that someone in the video game world can be like that too is not so hard to believe, its just your so friggen Jaded in your Xbox world, you have forgotten what a true quality game is, being you would have to go back to November of 2001 as Halo hit to remember one.
You're opinion on that matter is pretty much worthless. Nobody is arguing that nintendo doesn't make good and or oringinal games, but your silly thought that tnintendo is making games for the good of the game industry, is just that, a stupid thought. they ar emaking games in order to make money. Without money they go bankrupt.
The only thing innovative in the new zelda is the graphics. Everything else gameplay wise has been used in previous nintnedo titles.
CaptainHowdy
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Qroach said:
I dont think we were discussing how innovative it was,I think we were discussing whether or not Nintendo CARES ABOUT ITS GAMES, stop changing the subject, because you know friggen well I am right about it, caring about ones own games, and caring about the gaming industry are two very different things, the industry=money, the games, well, that equals the games, which is what I said Nintendo cares about.
MS actually only cares about one thing, Domination, they will not stop until Nintendo is destroyed, know what happens once Sony and Nintendo are gone? MS wont be content to be the only kid on the block, once the hardware competition is out of the picture, its time to take out the software competition, and MS will try to remove every company who wont sell out to them, if you think I am juse talking out of my arse, maybe you need to read up on the history of MS, its just the way they do things, they do not like competition.
They care about making money, and the only way to do that is to put the best games out you can make on the market. So yeah they care about making good games. So does MS and so does Sony. That the only way you can survive in this market. However, if you only think they care about makig good games and not making money, then you' simply blinded by fanboism.
You really seem to act like nintendo is the only company out there capable of making good games, and that people who buy PS2's or xbox don't buy them because there's good games avaiable for those platforms. Obviously it frustrates you, because you want Nintendo to succeed and you feel they make games and really care about the products released where as MS and sony don't care about the industry. Am I correct? Are you finding yourself thinking "what's wrong with all these people buying PS2 and xbox with it's crappy games", correct?
Did you ever stop to think that perhaps the people buying PS2's and Xbox consoles aren't the ones that have something wrong with them? That perhaps nitnendo's games don't have the same appeal they once had to the majority of gamers? Sure they are still quality games, this attitude you have (that nintendo games are god and everything else is shit) has GOT to GO.
The games = the money. You don't know what you are talking about. god it's like you've been brainwashed by nitnendo or something.
haha, look at this! You're talking about MS dominating the consle biz when sony is out selling the closest competition 10-1. Perhaps you should be MORE worried about Sony 'destroying" Nintendo before MS does, yes? take your blooddy blinders off and look at things. The only company that is CLOSE to dominating the console biz IS Sony...
MS isn't out to destroy Nintendo, they're out there to destroy Sony.
Nintendo poses no threat to MS, Sony does.
Nintendo is just a casualty of war, even though they're still making a profit. I think they'll be around for a LONG time to come...they obviously don't care much about marketshare.
CaptainHowdy
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I still dont know why Nintendo was even brought into it, my entire problem is with MS and Blizzard, MS can have anyone they want as far as I am concerned, I just want them to leave PC companys alone, they claim the XBox is a console competing with Consoles, than damnit live up to it and leave the PC world alone..
They want to buy Konami? fine with me, Capcom, Taito, Tecmo, Square... wonderful... Blizzard is the only company I feel so deeply against seeing turned into an Xbox exclusive, because Blizzard is the only game company I truely care about, I stand by thats its crap, and it had better not happen, its not a good thing for anyone if it does happen, there is the chance that they will allow Blizzard to go on with nothing but its PC goodness, but it scares me that it might not turn out that way, its just a chance I am not willing to take, because just because your blind to the whole thing, the Way MS is doing things is not good, MS is losing now, but even sony cant compete if they suck up every game maker on the planet, but for the love of god, if they want to rule the console world, they need to buy some console game makers, messing with my PC games is where I draw the line.
They want to buy Konami? fine with me, Capcom, Taito, Tecmo, Square... wonderful... Blizzard is the only company I feel so deeply against seeing turned into an Xbox exclusive, because Blizzard is the only game company I truely care about, I stand by thats its crap, and it had better not happen, its not a good thing for anyone if it does happen, there is the chance that they will allow Blizzard to go on with nothing but its PC goodness, but it scares me that it might not turn out that way, its just a chance I am not willing to take, because just because your blind to the whole thing, the Way MS is doing things is not good, MS is losing now, but even sony cant compete if they suck up every game maker on the planet, but for the love of god, if they want to rule the console world, they need to buy some console game makers, messing with my PC games is where I draw the line.
CaptainHowdy said:
I do not care about Blizzard. Otherwise I would own a PC. Anyway I do not see how their mouse centric games will adapt to the console market. They would surely do compeltely different things for a completely different market than RTS or Rogue-like RPG. Their success in console gaming would not a sure thing. World of Warcraft maybe dpeending on how it plays, but MMRPG will not be a seller for anything before long.
CaptainHowdy said:
What Microsoft is doing is good for the industry and the consummer. Competiton will bring higher quality products. Lets say Microsoft does decide to make Blizzard games exclusive to their consoles. Guess what, a huge market will have opened up for another publisher to take advantage of on the PC. Of course it will be hard for any game to just replace Blizzards great games, but a lot of companies will fight hard to fill the void left. Over time some young and hunger group of developers with make games just as good if not better.
Time and time again the video game industry has proven itself to be fluid. Atari had the perfect head start but they crashed and burned. In stepped Nintendo and they looked untouchable. Then out of now where Sony released a Playstation that owned the sales charts.
I still think its a really big IF they would make blizzard exlusive to the PC. There is just too much money to be made there. It would take a lot of consoles sales to make that worthwhile.
The PC as far as games go is going south sales wise. Very few games seem to put up big numbers these days. I don't see how anyone can fault Microsoft for this. It's easier than ever to get a game up and running (at least compared to the MS-Dos days). Microsoft does its part to release solid games for the PC as has been noted with Dungeon Siege, Age of Empires.
I think some of the problem with Halo not being released on the PC has to do with time. Microsoft had to have a killer game for the X-Box and they just couldn't spare the programmers to work on a PC port. Can a person really fault them making Halo a priority for the X-Box considering how much money they spent just to bring the console into existence? And also does anyone really think Halo would have sold a couple of million copies on the PC? They would have had a hard time just reaching a one million in my opinion. The PC is saturated with first person shooters and at the time Halo would have required a very powerful computer.
CaptainHowdy
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the whole thing is, I dont want ANYONE but Blizzard deciding Blizzards fate, they make games for both PC and console, the console games(only SC Ghost for now) is a perfect console game, that I would prefer to play on consoles, fine and dandy, but its a title that if it never came, I would not be sad, if they never made a SC2 on the other hand, then I would be very upset. and if it was made for a console, furious..
I want to see another company do the buyout, one who is not interested in forcing the game-makers into working on a particular system...
Come on Take 2, do some buying.
I want to see another company do the buyout, one who is not interested in forcing the game-makers into working on a particular system...
Come on Take 2, do some buying.
