MS buys vivendi games division?

"Until this point"?

First of all, Blizzard was always owned by some corporate giant before this rumour.
They will after.

What do you have to substantiate your claim that "UNTIL NOW" they have done things their way?

First you need to prove that they always got their way with their previous owners.
Then you need to prove that MS is forcing them to change their games right now.

Good luck!
 
Oh, by all means then, you're absolutely correct.

That proves everything and justifies your relentless whining about something that's not confirmed and suspect anyway, since MS has shown a huge aversion to buying publishers...
 
but blizzard was NEVER owned by a console maker looking to get games for its system... there lies the difference.

Oh, so vivendi wasn't interested in having them make console games? you don't think vivendi was pushig them in this direction when they started working on Ghost? You're arguments are not logical.
 
Qroach said:
but blizzard was NEVER owned by a console maker looking to get games for its system... there lies the difference.

Oh, so vivendi wasn't interested in having them make console games? you don't think vivendi was pushig them in this direction when they started working on Ghost? You're arguments are not logical.

not to someone whos only logic is kissing Bill Gates ass no...
but its perfectly true to anyone with a brain. Blizzard isnt making SC Ghost FYI, they got an outside team to do it, while they continue to work on WOW and other unnamed PC GAMES. MS isnt making this purchase to beef up the PC world, they are doing it to get Xbox Exclusives, there will be no more PC games from Blizzard if this happens, you are really ignorant if you think they will just let Blizzard do what they please.. If MS was as great as you would like to believe, we would have been playing Halo on PC 2 years ago.
 
Oh my GOD, CaptainHowdy, are you TRYING to be as obstinate as possible?!

I seriously doubt Microsoft is blind to the fact that every attempt at an RTS on a console has failed miserably or at least been a total chore to play.

Microsoft doesn't only buy companies to make games for the Xbox... and they never stopped HALO's PC version altogether. The only reason they yanked HALO and stuffed it on Xbox is because they knew FPS games can work very well on consoles with dual-analogue!

And I repeat: HALO's PC version is still on track for release, they never stopped it.

Blizzard will NOT be forced to develop games only for Xbox. If they are, I absolutely fucking guarantee a very large chunk of Blizzard will break off and bring the brilliant StarCraft/WarCraft formula back to PC as an independant company.

Blizzard is one of the few companies that really does care about quality - EVERY game they've made has been heavily delayed, AND patched to hell after release. The employees simply won't stand for being forced into pure Xbox development, if it comes to that.

But it won't. MS is power-hungry. MS is evil. But they are most definitely not stupid. I think if nothing else they realise what I just said, that the company will fall apart if they try anything.
 
Uhm, You think Blizzard would even have a choice in the Matter, if MS owns them, you think MS is going to let them break off and keep thier licenses? doesnt work that way chucko..

MS is stupid, where is the PC support? if they really are keeping it up and not screwing us..where the hell is it? how come every PC like game to come via them is Xbox exclusive.. they dont even bother to fix thier games anymore(where is my Rallisport challenge patch, my much needed CFS 3 patch?)...

MS's only concern now is taking over the console market, they have pretty much left everything else hung out to dry... you can say what you THINK they will do, I care about Blizzard and thier games so much, no matter what crap you spew out, I can take no comfort in it..
 
What the heck are you rambling about? Going about calling others ignorant and brainless just because they don't agree with your twisted sense of reality? "there will be no more PC games from Blizzard if this happens" WTF are you insane? I don't see AoE or AoM being an XBox excluse for christ's sake, and Ensemble Studios also belong to MS. As do loads of other companies that still produce PC games under their Game Studios label! Is Freelancer an Xbox exclusive game, or Rise of Nations, what about Impossible Creatures, Asheron's Call or Links? MS also knows pretty well that they'd break apart Blizzard if they would try anything like what you described, and unlike EA (which has managed to destroy some of the world's greatest development houses in preactically no time after aquiring them), I'm pretty confident they'd know to appreciate the talent they would aquire in such a deal and know better than to scare them away at the first opportunity. So, how about you take your medication and get off your ego trip already, maybe we can get sone sensible discussion out of this then...

IF (big IF, there's no confirmation about any buyup yet) MS were to aquire Blizzard, I have no doubt they'd let them continue producing their RTS franchises for PC platform primarily. Its Blizzard themselves who've said that they're interested in doing some console development again, its their "back to the roots" idea that spawned Ghost, even if it is developed externally they have already demonstrated their willingness to get back into the console industry by this. Sure, MS might try to make Diablo or any spin-offs like Ghost Xbox exclusives, but certainly not Blizzard's RTS franchises.

The Halo situation you refer to is also a quite different scenario, MS needed a launch-hit desperately against the strong Sony and Nintendo lineups. Halo was perfectly suited to fill the position of their first system-seller as it was one of the most highly anticipated games at the time and its gameplay even suited consoles. By now however MS already has a great number of high profile games out and many more in the pipeline, they don't need a Blizzard RTS for Xbox the way they needed Halo exclusively back then. Halo still not being on PC also has more to do with it being ported by Gearbox and Bungie focusing on new games instead than with MS wanting to continuously screw over PC gamers like you seem to think...
 
Sure, MS might try to make Diablo or any spin-offs like Ghost Xbox exclusives, but certainly not Blizzard's RTS franchises.

Personally, I fail to see why Microsoft wouldn't want Blizzard to shift their RTS franchises onto Xbox... I mean, porting between platforms shouldn't be an issue for them and also, the console industry is much more luctrativ than any other one outthere. Why wouldn't Microsoft/Blizzard try to bring their most successful franchises over? If they manage to get that done, it means more money for Microsoft and Blizzard AND it will also help Microsoft gain a very important position against Sony, not to mention making it harder for pirating.

The more I see Blizzard fanatics get angry at the possibility of Blizzard being bought out by Microsoft, the more I see them doing it.

So the question is yet again; why wouldn't Microsoft want that?
 
Gollum, AOK, AOM, AOE, etc..they dont have ANY market appeal...
Blizzard games have MAD market appeal, MS is buying Vivendi for something, what is it? its not for Halflife, because Sierra doesnt own it.. there is something major they want,the only thing I can see.. is Blizzard.. you can doubt that all you want but thats not enough for me, with anyone else, I KNOW blizzards fate is safe, with MS, I dont, and once MS has thier paws on Blizzard, there is no turning back, there is nothing that can be done, Blizzard can not break free, they are 100% under MS control, PLain and simple, and I'm sorry, but I dont back down that that makes me a little more than uneasy, this coming true is DEVISTATING to me.

and yes, when you sit and argue putting down everything I feel about this, I will call you a moron, your dense as hell if you cant understand that, Blizzard means a lot to me, it may be trivial to you, but its not to me.
 
CaptainHowdy I'm not trying to make down your feelings, sorry if I gave that impression. I just think you're blowing this whole thing way out of proportion, unneccessrily attacking others and just generally need to calm down. FYI I've also played just about every Blizzard game since the original Warcraft and greatly enjoyed them. Blizzard is also one of my favourite game developers, but I simply don't see a possible buyout by MS (remember, its still just speculation!) as a threat to that! Maybe you could be a bit less paranoid about the issue...

CaptainHowdy said:
with anyone else, I KNOW blizzards fate is safe, with MS, I dont
Huh? If EA were to buy them I'd be FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more worried about Blizzard's fate, just look what EA did to Origin, Bullfrog, Westwood and countless other once-were-top-developers! And who else might buy Vivendi's game division, Sony or Nintendo? Who's saying they won't also try to make Blizzard make console only games, its not as if either of them has a PC games lineup way beyond what MS offers. There are other possible candidates (Activision, UbiSoft - but they don't have the cash or do they?) but this day there are really few publishing houses outside of MS, Sony and EA that aren't possible candidates for a take-over of one sort or the other themselves.

About none of the above mentioned games having ANY market appeal, maybe they sell less units than WC3, but some of those games are nevertheles top titles that sell very well for PC-only games.

Phil said:
Personally, I fail to see why Microsoft wouldn't want Blizzard to shift their RTS franchises onto Xbox...
One reason: controls! It has been tried many times, but RTS games just don't play very well on a console! At least never even close to how well they play on PC. FPS games at least play decently on a console, but RTS? Nope, I see no way with the current crop of controlers. They might try doing a conversion but IMO those games will stay on PC primarily. That is until A) someone comes out with a trackball in his default gamepad or B) invents another way to give you controls similar to a mouse/keyboard setup on a console out of the house. IMO MS would much rather try to leverage the big franchise names and create some spin-off games like SC:Ghost that would profit from Blizzard's franchise brand recognition, but be better suited for console gameplay.
 
If they put a Blizzard RTS on the Xbox, they'd better release these things:

A MOUSE
A KEYBOARD

They'd also better support 1080i or 720p. I hate playing RTS's on the TV as you can't read the text very well, unless you're running on an HDTV at hi-res.
 
Gollum, I am only judging by the way things have gone the past 2 years, I just dont like, I know its speculation, but, it could very well come true, I hope your the one who is right, then all is well in my world, but it still scares me. Sorry for freaking out, I am REALLY into WC3 now, its like the only game I have been playing for months, and the fear of MS doing again what they did with Bungie is a bit much now.
 
I hated Microsoft for buying Bungie. They made one of my most anticipated PC game into a game on the Xbox that could have been better, much better, on the PC.

The Xbox doesn't seem to be allowing the mod community in, so we won't get any good mods for the system. If Starcraft 2 is Xbox only, I will be very very pissed.

Consoles should not have computer style RTS's, period!
 
CaptainHowdy said:
Uhm, You think Blizzard would even have a choice in the Matter, if MS owns them, you think MS is going to let them break off and keep thier licenses? doesnt work that way chucko..

Reread what I said and note the bold face:

a very large chunk of Blizzard will break off and bring the brilliant StarCraft/WarCraft formula back to PC as an independant company.

It's the same as Rareware, remember, the GE team left and formed Free Radical and look how much ass TimeSplitters series kicks.
 
Peppermonkey said:
I hated Microsoft for buying Bungie. They made one of my most anticipated PC game into a game on the Xbox that could have been better, much better, on the PC.
So why don't you buy the PC version this year then? :rolleyes:
 
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