Microsoft Q1 Earnings

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EDD profitable by 178million.

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Microsoft Corporation
    Income Statements
    (In millions, except per share amounts) (Unaudited)

                                                        Three Months Ended
                                                           September 30,
                                                      2008              2007

    Revenue                                        $15,061           $13,762
    Operating expenses:
      Cost of revenue                                2,848             2,675
      Research and development                       2,283             1,837
      Sales and marketing                            3,044             2,683
      General and administrative                       887               718
        Total operating expenses                     9,062             7,913
    Operating income                                 5,999             5,849
    Other income (expense)                              (8)              367
    Income before income taxes                       5,991             6,216
    Provision for income taxes                       1,618             1,927
    Net income                                      $4,373            $4,289

    Earnings per share:
    Basic                                            $0.48             $0.46
    Diluted                                          $0.48             $0.45

    Weighted average shares outstanding:
    Basic                                            9,084             9,380
    Diluted                                          9,183             9,513

    Cash dividends declared per common share         $0.13             $0.11



    Microsoft Corporation
    Balance Sheets
    (In millions)

                                                 September 30,       June 30,
                                                     2008             2008 (1)
                                                 (Unaudited)
    Assets
    Current assets:
      Cash and cash equivalents                     $9,004           $10,339
      Short-term investments (including
       securities pledged as
       collateral of $1,011 and $2,491)             11,718            13,323
        Total cash, cash equivalents, and
         short-term investments                     20,722            23,662
      Accounts receivable, net of
       allowance for doubtful accounts of
       $168 and $153                                 9,535            13,589
      Inventories                                    1,640               985
      Deferred income taxes                          1,974             2,017
      Other                                          3,331             2,989
        Total current assets                        37,202            43,242
    Property and equipment, net of
     accumulated depreciation of $6,622
     and $6,302                                      6,552             6,242
    Equity and other investments                     4,381             6,588
    Goodwill                                        12,291            12,108
    Intangible assets, net                           1,899             1,973
    Deferred income taxes                            1,041               949
    Other long-term assets                           1,751             1,691
          Total assets                             $65,117           $72,793

    Liabilities and stockholders' equity
    Current liabilities:
      Accounts payable                              $3,351            $4,034
      Short-term debt                                1,975                 -
      Accrued compensation                           2,138             2,934
      Income taxes                                     514             3,248
      Short-term unearned revenue                   11,815            13,397
      Securities lending payable                     1,070             2,614
      Other                                          3,520             3,659
        Total current liabilities                   24,383            29,886
    Long-term unearned revenue                       1,662             1,900
    Other long-term liabilities                      5,478             4,721
    Commitments and contingencies
    Stockholders' equity:
    Common stock and paid-in capital -
     shares authorized 24,000;
     outstanding 8,977 and 9,151                    61,655            62,849
    Retained deficit, including
     accumulated other comprehensive
     income of $877 and $1,140                     (28,061)          (26,563)
        Total stockholders' equity                  33,594            36,286
          Total liabilities and
           stockholders' equity                    $65,117           $72,793

    (1) Derived from audited financial statements



    Microsoft Corporation
    Cash Flows Statements
    (In millions) (Unaudited)

                                                        Three Months Ended
                                                           September 30,
                                                      2008              2007
    Operations
      Net income                                    $4,373            $4,289
      Depreciation, amortization, and
       other noncash items                             585               435
      Stock-based compensation expense                 443               333
      Net recognized losses (gains) on
       investments and derivatives                      36              (187)
      Excess tax benefits from stock-
       based payment arrangements                      (44)              (69)
      Deferred income taxes                            376               357
      Unearned revenue                               4,186             3,821
      Recognition of unearned revenue               (6,044)           (4,965)
      Accounts receivable                            3,985             2,806
      Other current assets                            (558)             (235)
      Other long-term assets                          (116)              (11)
      Other current liabilities                     (4,552)           (1,189)
      Other long-term liabilities                      700               493
        Net cash from operations                     3,370             5,878
    Financing
      Proceeds from short-term debt                  1,975                 -
      Common stock issued                              228               646
      Common stock repurchased                      (6,493)           (2,930)
      Common stock cash dividends                     (998)             (938)
      Excess tax benefits from stock-
       based payment arrangements                       44                69
        Net cash used in financing                  (5,244)           (3,153)
    Investing
      Additions to property and
       equipment                                      (778)             (510)
      Acquisition of companies, net of
       cash acquired                                  (377)           (5,396)
      Purchases of investments                      (4,246)           (5,997)
      Maturities of investments                        464               330
      Sales of investments                           7,075             9,120
      Securities lending payable                    (1,543)              196
        Net cash from (used in) investing              595            (2,257)
    Effect of exchange rates on cash and
     cash equivalents                                  (56)               58
    Net change in cash and cash
     equivalents                                    (1,335)              526
    Cash and cash equivalents, beginning
     of period                                      10,339             6,111
    Cash and cash equivalents, end of
     period                                         $9,004            $6,637



    Microsoft Corporation
    Segment Revenue and Operating Income (Loss)
    (In millions) (Unaudited)

                                                        Three Months Ended
                                                           September 30,
                                                      2008              2007
    Revenue
    Client                                          $4,218            $4,139
    Server and Tools                                 3,406             2,900
    Online Services Business                           770               671
    Microsoft Business Division                      4,949             4,117
    Entertainment and Devices Division               1,814             1,929
    Unallocated and other                              (96)                6
    Consolidated                                   $15,061           $13,762

    Operating Income (Loss)
    Client                                          $3,267            $3,388
    Server and Tools                                 1,151               959
    Online Services Business                          (480)             (267)
    Microsoft Business Division                      3,311             2,700
    Entertainment and Devices Division                 178               167
    Corporate-level activity                        (1,428)           (1,098)
    Consolidated                                    $5,999            $5,849
 
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Theres a couple other reports I saw here

http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=2385

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=20801

Things are coming together pretty nicely for 360. EDD turned 178 million profit. It appears ironically increasing Mac software sales are helping that division, but it still couldn't be profitable without much improvement from Xbox.

Also:
A couple of interesting tidbits from the filing: according to the company, "the cost of revenue decreased $251 million or 21 percent, primarily driven by decreased Xbox 360 manufacturing costs," suggesting cheaper hardware.

So 360 hardware costs look good.

In addition, the company predicted EDD (including Xbox 360 and the division's other elements) will see "sustained profitability for fiscal year 2009" which runs through June 2009.

EDD outlook looks good.

The company said it shipped 2.2 million Xbox 360 consoles (at significantly lower prices, as recently shown by Gamasutra) during the first quarter of fiscal year 2009,

As the Vgchartz article details lifetime 360 shipments stand at 22.5m @Sept end. Xbox 1 shipped 24.7m lifetime. The Dec Q is the big one of course, shipments will be 4-6m that Q, so 360 will be sitting at 27-28m shipped and overtake the original Xbox that Q.

Not only that but you have to feel there's plenty of life and price cuts left in 360. Being it's not built on the money losing hardware model of Xbox 1 MS will support it and sell it in years 6, 7 etc, it should have a long tail like PS2. Currently they're shipping ~10m per year, with possibly 2-4 good years with no successor on the market left. All things considered 50m seems very reachable for 360 lifetime. 60 m might be a nice stretch goal, or even higher, but things get hazy the longer out we look.

All in all it's a bang up report for 360, healthy shipments, hints of decreased hardware costs, and profitability in the division now and going forward.

It makes me think the recent 360 price cuts leave the hardware still profitable or roughly break even, and even another emergency 50 cut could have/could be enacted if needed if they were willing to swallow some hardware losses.
 
Things are coming together pretty nicely for 360. EDD turned 178 million profit. It appears ironically increasing Mac software sales are helping that division, but it still couldn't be profitable without much improvement from Xbox.
youre forgetting the 800pound gorilla thats also lumped under EDD
'retail windows office for windows + windows OSs'
which would conservatively make 500million profit in those 3 months
thus something in EDD is losing ~100million per month, Ill leave u to draw the obvious conclusion (+ no its not zune)
 
Aparently Sony announced a 59% reduction in profits?

A 57% reduction in fiscal year earnings forcast. That's across all electronics - consoles, TVs, digital cameras etc.

Not only that but you have to feel there's plenty of life and price cuts left in 360.

Life definitely, but price cuts?

It is nice to see that the reduction in production costs were passed straight through to consumers with the recent price cut.
 
youre forgetting the 800pound gorilla thats also lumped under EDD
'retail windows office for windows + windows OSs'
which would conservatively make 500million profit in those 3 months
thus something in EDD is losing ~100million per month, Ill leave u to draw the obvious conclusion (+ no its not zune)

Umm, that profit is 100% all speculation on your part.

Not like that stuff hasnt been present in EDD right along, anyway. When it was losing money.

I'm not sure retail office is in EDD, link? I dont see it written up in the usual articles that describe whats in EDD.

Anyways, it's impossible to break out what does what in EDD. It's likely Zune loses money, various cellphone R&D loses money (acquisition of Danger last Q was blamed for the loss), and other stuff loses money, and makes money.

It doesnt really make sense to suggest 360 hardware is a great money loser, either. Based on the PS3, what various PC video cards cost, etc. I dont see greatly more than 199 of stuff in Arcade 360. When you can get video cards with a lot more silicon for $200.
 
I thinks this is a better explanation of the spreadsheet in the op: :smile:

Q1-2009 (JULY-AUGUST-SEPTEMBER/2008)

MS- Windows/servers/online services etc: 3.94 billion$
MS- Office/business solutions: 3.31 billion$
MS- Xbox/Zune/video games/mobile windows: 178 million$

(EDIT: operating Income)
 
Well, the top models at 299 (actually supposedly the default model) and 399 certainly have plenty of room to come down. Especially given this is approaching year 4.

Well yes, but they have to maintain the feature/price ratio across all three SKUs (well they don't have to, but there's not much point in three SKUs if they are all bunched too closely together in price), and another $50 off and the Arcade is sitting right on top of the PS2 - that's going to start hurting the price/quality perception.
 
Well yes, but they have to maintain the feature/price ratio across all three SKUs (well they don't have to, but there's not much point in three SKUs if they are all bunched too closely together in price), and another $50 off and the Arcade is sitting right on top of the PS2 - that's going to start hurting the price/quality perception.

I find the price/perception assertion to be nonsense when the product of which you speak has been on the market since 2005, it is not some new-to-market item vying for shelf space against an incumbent anymore. The argument you make is the same one used at the platforms respective launches, it is the same argument that gets threads closed, you are using the value argument except your argument is that a 360 priced at PS2 levels would "hurt" 360 sales, not "hurt" PS2 sales and increase PS3 sales. Whereas I look at a $149 360 and think that it places it squarely in the cheap enough for people to buy a second one for another room in the house.

Where on Earth did you pull that from?! :oops:

All I'm saying is, I don't think there are "plenty of price cuts" left in the 360. Nothing more, nothing less. My basis for that opinion is, if a this-gen console encroaches on a last-gen price point, some people may begin to ask themselves "why?". That's what price/quality perception means.

If you want to start a 360 vs PS3 argument, you'll have to find someone else to have it with I'm afraid.
 
Where on Earth did you pull that from?! :oops:

All I'm saying is, I don't think there are "plenty of price cuts" left in the 360. Nothing more, nothing less. My basis for that opinion is, if a this-gen console encroaches on a last-gen price point, some people may begin to ask themselves "why?". That's what price/quality perception means.

If you want to start a 360 vs PS3 argument, you'll have to find someone else to have it with I'm afraid.

Ahh the old "price cuts are bad" nonsense :LOL:

imo this only was invented when you dont have the horsepower to back them up, which was the one specific case of the Gamecube.
 
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NavNuc I think it's safe to say that your spending and console habits occupy the top tenth of the top one-percent of owners. Multiple copies of the same game!?!? :p

I think Assen's definitely right that for most households, all a second console would mean is a loss on hardware costs for no additional game attach. That said though, if the hardware itself is profitable, then it's worth it anyway (I don't think it is within the context of the price cut), but more relevantly, I think it's obvious that for MS they are pleased with the direction of the business. I'm listening to the conference call right now... couldn't do it yesterday as I was just too drained.
 
I don't know...I have two 360's and I've bought a 2nd copy of the multiplayer games I've enjoyed so that I could have a second system ready to go if a family member or friend dropped by.

With the 2 360's I've kept, I'm maintaining a Gold LIVE account for both and tend to buy duplicates of the games I really enjoy (that are multiplayer).
 
Umm, that profit is 100% all speculation on your part.

Not like that stuff hasnt been present in EDD right along, anyway. When it was losing money.

I'm not sure retail office is in EDD, link? I dont see it written up in the usual articles that describe whats in EDD.

its written there in MSs annual report
http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar08/10k_fr_dis.html
our line of consumer software and hardware products including application software for Macintosh computers and Microsoft PC hardware products, and is responsible for all retail sales and marketing for Microsoft Office and the Windows operating systems.
there we go tacked on the end, its like they were trying to hide it :)

about the $500million, that was a conservative guesstimate, check the latest NPD PC sales, nr#2 was MS office (behind spore) it was news since , month after month MSoffice is typically nr#1. $500million? easy

groper - they split windows + office into two divisions, A (the majority sold through OEMs) + B (retail which is stuck in EDD for some strange reason)
 
youre forgetting the 800pound gorilla thats also lumped under EDD
'retail windows office for windows + windows OSs'
which would conservatively make 500million profit in those 3 months
thus something in EDD is losing ~100million per month, Ill leave u to draw the obvious conclusion (+ no its not zune)

Do you pull these numbers out of thin air? Since I am currently looking through a fair number of annual reports, 10K and 10q to see if I can find some bargains or once in a lifetime opportunities due fear in the stock markets, let have a look at MS's numbers.

Lets look at MS financials to get a somewhat clear but still muddled picture

In FY 2008 ending June 30th 2008

Revenue for EDD was 8.14 billion.

"Xbox 360 platform and PC game revenue increased $1.7 billion or 41%" during 2008. Lets add in some math and that comes out to ~5.85 in revenue for the 360 and PC game platform. If retail windows office/OSs was worth 2 billion in revenue that would put that 360/PC game + Office + Windows = ~7.85 billion

That leaves about 290 million in revenue for Zune; Mediaroom; numerous consumer software and hardware products (such as mice and keyboards); Windows Mobile software and services platform; Windows Embedded device operating system; Windows Automotive; and Surface computing platform. 290 million doesn't look like a revenue for all those products, but maybe its true.

In FY 2007 ending June 30th 2007

Revenue for EDD was 6.083 billion.

"Mobile and Embedded Devices revenue increased $138 million or 28% driven by sales growth in Windows Mobile software and Windows Embedded operating systems." Add in the math and that puts revenue generated for this segment at ~630 million dollars. Who knows how much is actual profit, in 2006 when this was reported as its own division MS profit just 2 million dollars off 377 million in revenue. But looking at this segment alone and not including Zune and the dozens of other products that EDD encompasses that 2 billion a year in retail Office and OS profits looks like an exaggeration.

In fact I am not even sure that revenue of sales of retail Office or Windows is even recorded under the EDD division as the FY 2006 annual report states:

"In addition, the segment carries out all retail sales and marketing for Microsoft Office and the Windows operating systems (for which it receives an inter-segment commission),"

Its my thought that MS allows the EDD division to handle retail versions Vista, XP and Office because its the only division who sales and marketing team revolves around retail, which a majority of EDD's products would fall under. EDD doesn't record revenue from the product sales but from comission from those retail sales of Office and Windows.

Seems like to me, EDD's responsibility of retail sales of Windows and Office has nothing to do with nefariously trying to inflate EDD revenue or hide losses but rather allowing retail responsbility to fall under one sales and marketing team as it's more efficient than having several teams who handles the same duty.
 
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It's great that Microsoft finally got to the position where they are both aggressive (price cuts, massive advertising etc.) and profitable. It does feel like a healthy change after they were losing cash for so many years or trying to be profitable but gave up marketshare a bit (FY 2008).
Hopefully soon to be released Sony's soon to be released financial report will show that Sony are going to that position as well. I'm sure Nintendo are breaking even more records in the category "how much money can be made on video games business". ;)
 
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