Matrix Revolution!
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Bouncing Zabaglione Bros.
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It's had very good reviews from those who have seen the preview screenings. Even those people that didn't like "Reloaded" because it was too slow loved "Revolutions", and supposedly it has a very clever twist about what is going on with the Matrix. I'm avoiding all spoilers, so I just know that people think it's a great movie.
And yes, "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" were filmed back to back. Not only is it cheaper to do it that way, there was a rush to get both films finished before the Actor's strike (that never happened in the end). Then "Reloaded" went into post-production and was released while they continued to work on post-production for "Revolutions".
It also enables them to handle marketing and extra merchandising (like the DVD sales). Notice how the DVD for "Reloaded" came out a few weeks before the theatre release of "Revolutions", thereby generating more publicity for the release of "Revolutions"? No overrun on filming can spoil their timetables if they already have the movies finished.
And yes, "Reloaded" and "Revolutions" were filmed back to back. Not only is it cheaper to do it that way, there was a rush to get both films finished before the Actor's strike (that never happened in the end). Then "Reloaded" went into post-production and was released while they continued to work on post-production for "Revolutions".
It also enables them to handle marketing and extra merchandising (like the DVD sales). Notice how the DVD for "Reloaded" came out a few weeks before the theatre release of "Revolutions", thereby generating more publicity for the release of "Revolutions"? No overrun on filming can spoil their timetables if they already have the movies finished.
I'll see it on opening day only because my boss from work wants to see it and we're going to have a "team building" excercise.
Otherwise, I'd wait for the DVD. I'm just not excited enough to pay for it after seeing the last one, though I'm fully willing to take a half day off and get in for free.
Otherwise, I'd wait for the DVD. I'm just not excited enough to pay for it after seeing the last one, though I'm fully willing to take a half day off and get in for free.
Joe DeFuria
Legend
I'll go on opening day if for no other reason than if I don't, I have a higher liklihood of hearing spoilers.
i'll watch it, but nothing can take my looking-forwardness away from Xmen3.... especially after X2 which was a much better sequel in its first 30 seconds than the whole of the Matrix Reloaded....
literally, the opening sequence with Nightcrawler fighting in the White House was much better than any of the fake-looking sequences in Reloaded.
And i havent even started on "the movie" itself.....
literally, the opening sequence with Nightcrawler fighting in the White House was much better than any of the fake-looking sequences in Reloaded.
And i havent even started on "the movie" itself.....
london-boy said:i'll watch it, but nothing can take my looking-forwardness away from Xmen3.... especially after X2 which was a much better sequel in its first 30 seconds than the whole of the Matrix Reloaded....
literally, the opening sequence with Nightcrawler fighting in the White House was much better than any of the fake-looking sequences in Reloaded.
And i havent even started on "the movie" itself.....
Ditto. X2 was an example of what a sequel should be. It's a shame the the Matrix rode on sheer marketing power and hype to make close to 40% more money than X2.
I enjoyed X2 for its action, but it was a one time see. I saw Reloaded 4 times (thrice in regular theaters. once in imax, dear god what an experience) to get everything that was mentioned. It was really damn dense.
X2 was a great movie. But frankly it didn't make me think about anything other than where the next mouthful of popcorn was going to come from. That's why I enjoyed Reloaded, even for all its flaws. I just read an interview actually where the producers were saying Reloaded basically gives you all the back story and information required while Revolutions is the non stop rollercoaster action flick pay off.
Which is pretty much what X2 was to X1.
X2 was a great movie. But frankly it didn't make me think about anything other than where the next mouthful of popcorn was going to come from. That's why I enjoyed Reloaded, even for all its flaws. I just read an interview actually where the producers were saying Reloaded basically gives you all the back story and information required while Revolutions is the non stop rollercoaster action flick pay off.
Which is pretty much what X2 was to X1.
Willmeister
Newcomer
It's been rumoured that the last one is better than the second one.
I still think the man-machine war is rather cartoonish. I much preferred my backhistory where humanity became obsessed with escaping reality, they plugged themselves into the machines. The 90% of everyone's unused brain is actually used to control the machines and upkeep the system. The 'sentience' of the machine is totally illusory. The machines attack people who have been unplugged because the collective wants to avoid the reality of a f*cked up world. They're actually protecting humanity and the machines are just obedient servants. It would provide for such better questioning than the 'good man vs evil machine' that underpins these movies.
All this talk of Zion about people being batteries is actually a load of crap, which it would be.
As much as it would make it such a COOL-ASS plot, it'd never fill a theatre. People still go to the movies to see the good guy win and get the girl. Hollywood makes it because people pay to see it. Hollywood follows the dollars to fund the next movie...
I still think the man-machine war is rather cartoonish. I much preferred my backhistory where humanity became obsessed with escaping reality, they plugged themselves into the machines. The 90% of everyone's unused brain is actually used to control the machines and upkeep the system. The 'sentience' of the machine is totally illusory. The machines attack people who have been unplugged because the collective wants to avoid the reality of a f*cked up world. They're actually protecting humanity and the machines are just obedient servants. It would provide for such better questioning than the 'good man vs evil machine' that underpins these movies.
All this talk of Zion about people being batteries is actually a load of crap, which it would be.
As much as it would make it such a COOL-ASS plot, it'd never fill a theatre. People still go to the movies to see the good guy win and get the girl. Hollywood makes it because people pay to see it. Hollywood follows the dollars to fund the next movie...
Why did so many people hate Reloaded? I loved it! It was brilliant.
And people who claim the action sequences looked 'fake' - what did you friggin' expect? They're breaking the laws of physics here. Besides, how would YOU know what a human looks like moving that fast or jumping that high? For all we know, Reloaded did it right and all the movies that we think look more 'real' at high velocities are wrong!
And... how could Reloaded rely on 'hype and marketing'? The Wachowski brothers had the whole thing planned out right from the start - before there even WAS any marketing! Hell, the whole reason they didn't tell us about Reloaded and Revolutions right from the start is, Hollywood didn't trust The Matrix and was reluctant to give the Wachowski brothers resources for three movies when the first was likely to flop.
And people who claim the action sequences looked 'fake' - what did you friggin' expect? They're breaking the laws of physics here. Besides, how would YOU know what a human looks like moving that fast or jumping that high? For all we know, Reloaded did it right and all the movies that we think look more 'real' at high velocities are wrong!
And... how could Reloaded rely on 'hype and marketing'? The Wachowski brothers had the whole thing planned out right from the start - before there even WAS any marketing! Hell, the whole reason they didn't tell us about Reloaded and Revolutions right from the start is, Hollywood didn't trust The Matrix and was reluctant to give the Wachowski brothers resources for three movies when the first was likely to flop.
Def would be cool to find out at the end that the main premise was in fact not what was going on. I still think machines keeping humans around to explore deeper meanings of sentience and the overwhelming theme of choice in the movies would be cooler...
Ill still like it if its batteries but just on a different level.
Ill still like it if its batteries but just on a different level.
Barely supported the first one, wanted to go away after 15 minutes of the second, now, will I go see the third one... hum... maybe I'll dl it....
What I dislike about the Matrix is
1) KEANU REEVE, seriously :?
2) Try to make every scenes hyper-cool and just end up looking fake, but that would be funny if it wasn't for 3.
3) Try to be serious sci-fi, while the entire story (up to now at least) is pure crap. Everything they says, everything they do, everything that happen doesn't make any fucking sense, it's just there to be coooooool, yeah, right.
I understand why a select group of peoples who are either, able to shut down their brain while listening at those movies (I did try but I can't do that with that serie, don't know why, I generally love shit and crap in a lot of genre, but not in that one) or just don't have any brain cells at all. In both case using drugs should help, but since I don't...
As for Reloaded, I expected a LOT more action then what I got, and at least the story/dialog crap in the first one was interesting, which wasn't the case with the second. I mean, even Hulk was better then Reloaded.
What I did I like was the special effects (tho they didn't merits the award over ep1) and the fights are not too bad, though I've already seen all that "kung fu" before.
As far as block buster goes, the best one I've seen this year were Nemo and Pirates of the Caribbean. Next big one will be RotK, the (2?) great battles should be fun, that should makes up a little bit for all the crap he added to the story.
P.S. The fight scene with the 100s of Mr. Smith was really cool, if only there have been more scenes like that...
What I dislike about the Matrix is
1) KEANU REEVE, seriously :?
2) Try to make every scenes hyper-cool and just end up looking fake, but that would be funny if it wasn't for 3.
3) Try to be serious sci-fi, while the entire story (up to now at least) is pure crap. Everything they says, everything they do, everything that happen doesn't make any fucking sense, it's just there to be coooooool, yeah, right.
I understand why a select group of peoples who are either, able to shut down their brain while listening at those movies (I did try but I can't do that with that serie, don't know why, I generally love shit and crap in a lot of genre, but not in that one) or just don't have any brain cells at all. In both case using drugs should help, but since I don't...
As for Reloaded, I expected a LOT more action then what I got, and at least the story/dialog crap in the first one was interesting, which wasn't the case with the second. I mean, even Hulk was better then Reloaded.
What I did I like was the special effects (tho they didn't merits the award over ep1) and the fights are not too bad, though I've already seen all that "kung fu" before.
As far as block buster goes, the best one I've seen this year were Nemo and Pirates of the Caribbean. Next big one will be RotK, the (2?) great battles should be fun, that should makes up a little bit for all the crap he added to the story.
P.S. The fight scene with the 100s of Mr. Smith was really cool, if only there have been more scenes like that...
SMarth said:
Keanu did fine in the first one being his usual "WTF is going on here" self, and imo he seemed to do something along the lines of 'act' in the second.
It's SUPPOSED to look fake. When was the last time YOU saw groups of people totally ignoring the laws of physics?
It doesn't make any sense? lol... how old are you, 10?
I thought the story was quite interesting, and well executed, if a liiiiiittle on the cliche side (WE CREATE AI. AI FIGHT BACK. WE TRY STOP AI. AI ENSLAVE US. WE FIGHT BACK.).
Reloaded explained most of the questions from the first movie, and left a ton of stuff open for the third. While the dialogue did drag on quite a bit, it was basically designed to show what was going on. The first one's dialogue was very sparse by comparison.
Oh, and you just said you found the dialogue 'interesting' in the first one, while in the previous breath you said that the entire story was absolute crap. How can it be interesting then?
It got the award for doing something unique (at the time, it was...).
The main point of Reloaded was to explain most of what was going on... most of the action will be in Revolutions (like Reloaded + Revolutions will balance each other out), as far as I understand things.
Reasons why I hated the Matrix Reloaded(tarded):
10. Keanu Reaves was bad, even for him. His performance in the first Matrix should have earned him an Oscar if people think this is acceptable acting.
9. And along with that, the acting, and more importantly the dialog, was utter crap throughout the entire movie. I don't have a problem with a story-driven movie, one that is there to explain the background of the story. The problem I have is when the dialog that is supposed to be driving the story is worse than puking up bile.
8. The orgy/dance/love scene. Completely gratuitous, pointless, and lame. And it took up 10 minutes of the freakin' movie! Designed entirely to appeal to horny 12 year old boys just reaching the age when they decide they want to have sex but about 4 to 6 years before they'll be gettin' anything.
7. Is everyone on Zion 25 years old, (except for that one guy)? I hated "The Ring" for the same damn reason. Stupid assed hollywood producers that feel that a movie isn't any good unless they show plenty of T&A. And for that you need nubile young men and women, (but especially women given the demographic they're trying to appeal to).
6. Laurence Fishbourne flexing his muscles repeatedly while giving the worst inspirational speech I've ever heard in my entire life to the entire 25 year old population of Zion. I've seen W. give better speeches.
5. I'm going to repeat myself here: Laurence Fishbourne flexing his muscles giving that awful, dreadful speech.
4. Lotsa boring pseudointellectual bullshit. I don't mind pseudointellectual bullshit, just make it interesting. And no, I "got it" just fine. It just sucked.
3. Action sequences that were far too long, drawn out, and bland. Nothing in this movie after the first 5 minutes produced anything in me resembling excitement. The 100 Smiths scene was awful, probably the worst action scene in the whole movie. Just get it over with already. I'm still trying to decide if it's worse than the orgy scene or the "inspirational" scene, and I'll be awarding the title of "Worst Scene in an otherwise Terrible Movie" shortly after I manage to convince myself that I care enough about it to spend any more time discussing it.
2. Because I liked the first film, and it's depressing to watch a film you really enjoyed sabotaged in the second, much like Ep 1 was to the original Star Wars Trilogy.
And the number one reason why I hate the Matrix Reloaded:
1. Because I work at a video store, and due to the "If you can't say anything nice" policy, everytime someone comes up and says "So did you see the Matrix Reloaded", I have to grit my teeth and force out a smile.
10. Keanu Reaves was bad, even for him. His performance in the first Matrix should have earned him an Oscar if people think this is acceptable acting.
9. And along with that, the acting, and more importantly the dialog, was utter crap throughout the entire movie. I don't have a problem with a story-driven movie, one that is there to explain the background of the story. The problem I have is when the dialog that is supposed to be driving the story is worse than puking up bile.
8. The orgy/dance/love scene. Completely gratuitous, pointless, and lame. And it took up 10 minutes of the freakin' movie! Designed entirely to appeal to horny 12 year old boys just reaching the age when they decide they want to have sex but about 4 to 6 years before they'll be gettin' anything.
7. Is everyone on Zion 25 years old, (except for that one guy)? I hated "The Ring" for the same damn reason. Stupid assed hollywood producers that feel that a movie isn't any good unless they show plenty of T&A. And for that you need nubile young men and women, (but especially women given the demographic they're trying to appeal to).
6. Laurence Fishbourne flexing his muscles repeatedly while giving the worst inspirational speech I've ever heard in my entire life to the entire 25 year old population of Zion. I've seen W. give better speeches.
5. I'm going to repeat myself here: Laurence Fishbourne flexing his muscles giving that awful, dreadful speech.
4. Lotsa boring pseudointellectual bullshit. I don't mind pseudointellectual bullshit, just make it interesting. And no, I "got it" just fine. It just sucked.
3. Action sequences that were far too long, drawn out, and bland. Nothing in this movie after the first 5 minutes produced anything in me resembling excitement. The 100 Smiths scene was awful, probably the worst action scene in the whole movie. Just get it over with already. I'm still trying to decide if it's worse than the orgy scene or the "inspirational" scene, and I'll be awarding the title of "Worst Scene in an otherwise Terrible Movie" shortly after I manage to convince myself that I care enough about it to spend any more time discussing it.
2. Because I liked the first film, and it's depressing to watch a film you really enjoyed sabotaged in the second, much like Ep 1 was to the original Star Wars Trilogy.
And the number one reason why I hate the Matrix Reloaded:
1. Because I work at a video store, and due to the "If you can't say anything nice" policy, everytime someone comes up and says "So did you see the Matrix Reloaded", I have to grit my teeth and force out a smile.
I saw Reloaded for the second time last night..
It's better on a second viewing, but the flaws I notice (many of them highlighted in Clashman's post, see above) are still intact. Maybe I liked it more this time because of the hype of seeing it the first time; perhaps it put my expectations too high.
Everybody knows that it's very rare that you capture lightning twice. George Lucas has done it twice (Star Wars and Indy.. actually, he caught it thrice with those) as have several other moviemakers.. but the Wachowskis just couldn't pull it off here. Reloaded is good, The Matrix was great.
It's better on a second viewing, but the flaws I notice (many of them highlighted in Clashman's post, see above) are still intact. Maybe I liked it more this time because of the hype of seeing it the first time; perhaps it put my expectations too high.
Everybody knows that it's very rare that you capture lightning twice. George Lucas has done it twice (Star Wars and Indy.. actually, he caught it thrice with those) as have several other moviemakers.. but the Wachowskis just couldn't pull it off here. Reloaded is good, The Matrix was great.
