RTX2060S it is
Is everything a contest with you? We get it, you dislike PS5. I enjoy PC gaming, but I'm not 24/7 shitting on console gaming, or one particular platform in your case. Please just stop, and be more constructive to the conversation.
Is everything a contest with you? We get it, you dislike PS5. I enjoy PC gaming, but I'm not 24/7 shitting on console gaming, or one particular platform in your case. Please just stop, and be more constructive to the conversation.
What is so wrong with a RTX2070 in comparison? Its you that assumes thats a bad performance product? It's what DF thinks, and i think its about right. Shitting on everything that DF or others have to say isnt much better anyway, just because it doesnt fit ones likings.
One thinks the PS5 gpu is better then a 2080 and closing in on 2080S/Ti, i think its closer to a RTX2060S or 2070. Its different opinions, try to live with that, and take your complaints elsewhere instead of going offtopic.
Please. But continue with your quest...
Tkumpathenurple
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Yep. Bandwidth is easily the thing I least like about both consoles. Everything else is solid, but not the bandwidth.
I would have much preferred the PS5 to go with 16GB of 16gbps GDDR6, and the XSX to go with 20GB of 14gbps. And then 16GB of 14gbps GDDR6 for the XSS with exactly half the GPU performance of the XSX.
Meh, it is what it is.
Likely it's just out of reach here. Consoles thrive on price performance, but more importantly those finalized price points have a limit. It does appear they are already both taking losses to keep to their $499 price points.
Tkumpathenurple
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Don't pretend you don't know what you do here. You're not that stupid and neither is everyone else.
But if you're genuinely oblivious to your general tone, I will say that everyone here would benefit from you partaking in some self reflection. 9 times out of 10, when I click on "show ignored posts" I see what you've written and just roll my eyes. There are plenty of other posters on this forum who primarily or exclusively play on PC or XBox, and don't elicit that response. Hence them not being on my tiny ignore list.
Just... come on. We're here to have enjoyable conversations, not constantly jostle.
Tkumpathenurple
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Yeah, true. We're already getting RT and SSD's, which is so much more than I was expecting, so I won't whinge... much.
Oh but i understand what you mean, its just that im seeing the same postings from (some) PS fans..... Its easy for you to not notice that when a post is not negatively impacting your platform of choice.
Things work counteractive on forums and discussions. NV announces RTX IO, and that resulted in rather many downplaying posts against that. MS announces cross gen, damn what a mess that got, etc. Or the MS buying a large studio, as late as today i see people downplaying that.
Im not saying your doing it, but some do. I understand the problem, but see it from the other side too.
On that, i think a 2070 level performance seems about right, theres no reason for anyone to get offended about that.
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well it's still incredible value. I've opted to pass on the 3080, and pick up the PS5 + XSX at the same price of a 3080.
It's honestly hard to find that type of value.
I think it makes sense to revisit the PC space when things matured with respect to SSD and feature sets. I think it makes sense to dive into console now and take advantage of what's being offered. Mid-gen I'll reassess where PC is in terms of adopting these console features that are now baseline.
Even then, honestly, I think a very small population of PC owners have a setup that can challenge PS5 and XSX today. It can't be that much. The CPU + GPU + NVME is a tough combo to beat in general. Across the board it's competent, and consoles can further extract more performance from low level optimizations/tricks/hardware that can make up from some resource loss on the hardware side of things.
I don't mind that people talk about PC/XSX/PS5 as in it's technical raw numbers that's actually what I enjoy talking about, but if we're getting subjective, it's hard for me to believe someone would be upset for what you get price/performance for either console and launching with Ray Traced games; though I always understand the desire for more. The situation on console is not perfect but it's damn good still and there is some expectation that console developers will find a way to make it work for the hardware if they really need something to work.
I compare with spec, if you have no chance at lottery it will be less than this. PS5 looks like base spec of 2080 and Xbox Series X is between 2080 Super and 2080 Ti same with base spec.
I'm on 2080Ti system already, so it will be PS5 + PC again. In your situation yes thats a value much better then going for a single GPU over two complete systems + you get the PS5 exclusives, controllers etc.
Exactly this.
Lottery?
I seriously hope your right though, as it would up the ante for base level performance for PC gamers, as consoles set the baseline usually. Because, basically, a 2080 is a 2018 product and compared to RTX3000 and RDNA2, in raw numbers, not as impressive anymore as two years ago.I see PS5 GPU perfoming atleast what a 5700XT does, probably higher then that. Cant wait to do my own comparisons, too bad im on a 2080Ti, will need to find a used 2070/2080 or something.
We will know soon enough i guess, as tech channels like DF will do some side by sides. Also, i assume console games still are optimized better, lifting it above the direct spec to spec equal pc gpu.
And, i think RT performance is the most important somewhere.... I mean, about all PS5 games showed have some form of RT going on, and i doubt going forward that will decrease. Its RT performance is very okay to me so far, GT7, Stray, MM, this magnata game etc.
One step that could / should? still be available for rendering reflections is using information from previous frames? That could work well in enhancing the reflection quality when your moving slow or not at all.
I'm on 2080Ti system already, so it will be PS5 + PC again. In your situation yes thats a value much better then going for a single GPU over two complete systems + you get the PS5 exclusives, controllers etc.
Exactly this.
Lottery?
I see PS5 GPU perfoming atleast what a 5700XT does, probably higher then that. Cant wait to do my own comparisons, too bad im on a 2080Ti, will need to find a used 2070/2080 or something.
We will know soon enough i guess, as tech channels like DF will do some side by sides. Also, i assume console games still are optimized better, lifting it above the direct spec to spec equal pc gpu.
And, i think RT performance is the most important somewhere.... I mean, about all PS5 games showed have some form of RT going on, and i doubt going forward that will decrease. Its RT performance is very okay to me so far, GT7, Stray, MM, this magnata game etc.
And UE 5 demo doesn't have triangle RT at all. I think we will see GI solution using non triangle RT solution like Voxel, being point based and RT being use for example only on reflections or shadows.
EDIT: And probably the reason Mark Cerny told GI is cheaper than RT shadows or RT reflection. This is the most expensive effect with triangle raytracing.
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Tkumpathenurple
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Fair points. I've certainly noticed it with one or two PlayStation fanboys (who have made their way onto my ignore list.) Reading their posts is like getting sand in my underpants.
Anyway, I won't derail things any more.
xoxoxo
Yes, il be less 'aggressive' or come over as anti PS, its only unpleasant and that just because of a few users
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He does this on every single thread. It's hard to see any troll post on XB threads, but PS threads are full of them and it's thanks to him and 2 other users.
Interestingly RT hardware should be nice for empty space skipping for solutions like in UE5. (Especially on consoles as you should be able to write custom traversal code etc.)And UE 5 demo doesn't have triangle RT at all. I think we will see GI solution using non triangle RT solution like Voxel, being point based and RT being use for example only on reflections or shadows.
EDIT: And probably the reason Mark Cerny told GI is cheaper than RT shadows or RT reflection. This is the most expensive effect with triangle raytracing.
Also I do expect custom intersection methods to be widely used for some very silly things.
One of the 'cheap' ways to use triangle RT for GI is the probe GI methods, as they are resolution and framerate independent etc.
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