Look at this Google-cached (pulled down) PlayStation 3 page

That case, i hope so that PS3 is indeed very powerful enough to run all those software and subpixel stuffs in true next gen glory. Go for new approach! Go for true power to make new approach looks as good/better than old approach!

 

Strong the force in this one is.

 

I'd luv to put the Jedi-freak-on that Princess Armadelia, boy I tell ya.

 

yeah this is a bit of a grey Area for all next gen systems. do you go for fast but less space or visa versa?

ah hahahahhahaha.....

just because it can doesn't mean it will. my guess (pull outta my arse no less) is that it should be plenty fast enough using older rendering methods for launch titles.

 

I'm skeptical about the 16x supersampling theory. That would require a massive amount of frame buffer memory.

 

Panajev,

You expect PS3 to run in 32-bit integer color depth? How would the machine cope with all the fancy shading you expect it to do with your reyes-style renderer you've dreamt up for it?

As for procedural textures... Sure, probably great for wood or flames or such, but many many surfaces - particulary man-made ones - can't be procedurally generated. Besides, if the thing is supposed to generate textures in real-time you'd have to render the scene in texture order or else waste vast amounts of processing power on re-generating textures over and over again as they appear in different places in a scene. There goes your deferred shading/geometry ideas as well dude. *poof*

You can't have it all, dude.


*G*

 

Shouldn't be a problem. As long is 640 res.

I think you got it wrong, but yes its going to use some FLOPS.

 

Doesnt the new DX9 cards render in 64/128 color depth? If PS3 optimizes at 32bpp or limited at 480p w/ higher bpp, it is gonna be PS2 all over again....

squeeeze the RAM Sony! RAM it up PS3 arse!

 

16 bit per component to 32 bit per component. And I think only NV3x actually does 32 bit per component, not sure.

 

V3:

Sorry, but what does resolution have to do with pixel depth? In what way is 640 res going to make 32bpp integer more useable as a display res for PS3? No matter what your res, 32bpp is going to introduce serious artefacting, that's pretty much a given.

Anyway, ATIs DX9 chips always uses 128bpp framebuffers in FP mode, it's only Nvidia that has the ability to do 64bpp FP...


*G*

 

Your Z buffer has to be the same resolution as your backbuffer, -otherwise you won't be able to determine which subpixels to cull.

Also with 16x supersampling you get a 16x increase in number of micropolys. The whole idea of micropolys is that you don't have to scan-convert them (so they have to be smaller than your subpixels).

Then you have to deal with shadows, where you get to transform your geometry for every light source, rendering shadow maps (using a traditional scan-conversion rasterizing approach ?).

For all the power and on-die eDram the PS3 will have I just cannot see it implement a REYES architecture.

Cheers
Gubbi

 

Sony, Toshiba and IBM aren't stupid. Let's just leave it at that.

 

Sony + Toshiba = PS2
Sony, Toshiba and IBM does quite spell graphics either, IMHO

ANYWAY, higher bpp will need more RAM, right?

 

ps2 all over again?
it might be, if Sony messes A LOT of things up ALL AT THE SAME TIME....

still, i think that little old PS2 is pulling out some things that are just amazing to say the least. i'm sorry to say that after around 6 hours into SH3, i'm absolutely and fully satisfied with what a (LETS NOT FORGET) 3 years old console is doing in terms of graphics and i fail to see how ANYONE can complain about it.

it's always been about compromise. and it will always be. as powerful and mighty as PS3 and PS4 and PS5 will be, there will always be room for improvement, and i would put my money on the amount of memory first. but WHAT THE HELL maybe not eveyone has seen what SH3 is doing, some of the effects that it uses, the amount of detail put into the characters and into the environments. all from an UNDERPOWERED 3 YEAR OLD console.

i still have to purchase ZOE2. actually let me rephrase that. KONAMI ARE STILL SITTING ON THEIR ASSES AND I'M STILL WAITING FOR THE FRIKKING THING TO BE RELEASED. but if everyone is putting SH3 on par with ZOE2 in terms of visual beauty, then i really fail to see how anyone cannot be satisfied considering ps2's specs were finalized years ago. and we all know that a PC-friendly architecture out at the time of PS2 launch would simply melt down trying to replicate the amount of detail into SH3...

 

The only thing wrong with GS was it's lack of VRAM and features. Think Sony is going to make the same mistake twice?

Why do you continue to think that PS3 will be a ram-starved system? We DONT even know how much ram the thing will have.

 

128-bit color / rendering precision was one of the givens that I thought PS3 and all next-gen consoles would have.

 

ME TOO.... still, since i assume the trend of console-RAM-starvness will still exist, i'm not raising my expectations too high....

u know, better being pessimistic than disappointed


note: is STARNESS even a word? starvation just sounded so...... u know.... serious...