A nub is okay for applications where reliability isn’t absolutely crucial, use only sporadic, and you don’t press down very hard, like IBMs touch point for their notepads. IMO it would be very uncomfortable for heavy, use like in a videogame. A concave surface is much more comfortable to press down on, than a convex one. The "disc" wouldn’t really have to be that big, 1.5 cm would be sufficient.
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rabidrabbit:
> Oh, but there could be a hole for the stick on the upper half of the 'flip
> top'
That would make the unit both thick and wide.
Squeak:
> like IBMs touch point for their notepads
You wouldn't have to model it after those horrible contraptions. Imagine a dual shock stick or cube stick without the actual stick. I needn't be anything more than a ball with a place to rest your thumb.
> Oh, but there could be a hole for the stick on the upper half of the 'flip
> top'
That would make the unit both thick and wide.
Squeak:
> like IBMs touch point for their notepads
You wouldn't have to model it after those horrible contraptions. Imagine a dual shock stick or cube stick without the actual stick. I needn't be anything more than a ball with a place to rest your thumb.
IMO I much prefer the convex surface to concave for thumb controlling.
After all you (or at least I do) 'steer' the analog stick mostly not with the tip of your thumb, but with that part of your thumb where fingerprint is (is there an anatomical name for that part?)
A concave surface sort of forces the tip of the thumb into the concave, and limits the thumb movement somewhat (especially if you hands are 'tied' around a controller or handheld.
The thumb rests more naturally at convex surface, and it can rest more straight.
After all you (or at least I do) 'steer' the analog stick mostly not with the tip of your thumb, but with that part of your thumb where fingerprint is (is there an anatomical name for that part?)
A concave surface sort of forces the tip of the thumb into the concave, and limits the thumb movement somewhat (especially if you hands are 'tied' around a controller or handheld.
The thumb rests more naturally at convex surface, and it can rest more straight.
Is it???cybamerc said:
Top of the DS is (--- i.e convex
If the top was )--- then it would be concave
Don't think so. If I recall right, DS's have always had convex tops. Not sure of the very first models though.
Logitech's Wireless PlayStation controller has concave sticks.
And they are a pain to use as there is no rim to speak of, where you can rest your thumb, and they are slippery as something very slippery.
Logitech's Wireless PlayStation controller has concave sticks.
And they are a pain to use as there is no rim to speak of, where you can rest your thumb, and they are slippery as something very slippery.
cybamerc said:
you are correct the first versions featuring dual analogue controllers for PS1 are Concave (not the same as the dual shock controllers which came shortly after incorprating the rumble feature).
I am surprised you recall this since the product was so short lived.
rabidrabbit said:
Well actually the ideal shape would be a saddle shaped stick.
If you look at the way a thump moves, vertically it is does a rolling action, whilst horizontally it’s more of a straight move without to much rolling.
Notice that I’m saying: "very little travel length" (don’t know if that’s the right way to put in English, but you know what I mean).
What I’m talking about is a movement sensitive disc, that hardly moves when used. That would be much better suited to a handheld where space is at premium.
Squeak:
> Notice that I’m saying: "very little travel length"
Can't be too short though. Humans don't have that much controll over their body. You'd probably need around a cm on each side of the disc with the disc itself being at least 2 cm. A nub would take up less space
A disc might also be ill-suited for a portable system since it's more likely to have issues with dirt getting caught under it.
A disc might be well-suited for pads though. I think it might allow for speedier movement compared to a stick.
> Notice that I’m saying: "very little travel length"
Can't be too short though. Humans don't have that much controll over their body. You'd probably need around a cm on each side of the disc with the disc itself being at least 2 cm. A nub would take up less space
A disc might also be ill-suited for a portable system since it's more likely to have issues with dirt getting caught under it.A disc might be well-suited for pads though. I think it might allow for speedier movement compared to a stick.
haha now it does look like a nipple!
Looks like it's pegging to be nibbled
Can't see where it is positioned on your PSP concept though :?
now it does look like a nipple!Looks like it's pegging to be nibbled
Can't see where it is positioned on your PSP concept though :?
cybamerc said:
Much of the human body’s balance and coordination skills, come from being able to feel pressure on the skin. For example, I doubt we would be able to walk very well if we couldn’t feel the pressure of the ground underneath our feet.
"Position measuring" in the joints aren’t very precise, when we write or use a joystick, precise movement is a result of a hand-eye feedback loop, and being able to feel the object position and force if it on our skin.
That’s why I think a very stiff joydisc would work.
