Japan Sales Thread *renamed

How do you know that it will be proportional. Also you dont know when this "poportional reduction" will take place
Its a matter of strategy.
Nintendo has less reasons to reduce prices than Sony. They are already enjoying lots of sales from low price as well as profits from hardware. It would be stupid if they did this. They will reduce profits unnecessarilly.
Sony cares more about increasing its userbase right now than Nintendo, and there is more room for price drops because unlike Wii's harware it is not standardized yet. It is new, it is passing through more production readjustments and has more components which overally will decrease the hardware's price much more while their cost of production falls. Lastly Sony has always been making price drops even though they generated losses during the initial stages, as part of their strategy.

The Wii's price is tied to its demand and as of right now the PS3 or 360 has done very little to lessen that demand. But, if the PS3 sales begins grow at the expense of Wii sales then Nintendo will have no choice but to reduce price.

While the demand in japan has fallen off some, demand in Europe and the US remains high, which means what Nintendo has the luxury of shifting more units to the US and Europe to keep production at close to max capacity.

Nintendo had to work hard to increase supply to deal with the initial demand of the Wii. Nintendo's primary drive is to maintain the demand to eat up that supply. Its not going to try to maintain the current profit margin on the Wii at the expense of growing inventory.
 
The Wii's price is tied to its demand and as of right now the PS3 or 360 has done very little to lessen that demand. But, if the PS3 sales begins grow at the expense of Wii sales then Nintendo will have no choice but to reduce price.

While the demand in japan has fallen off some, demand in Europe and the US remains high, which means what Nintendo has the luxury of shifting more units to the US and Europe to keep production at close to max capacity.

Nintendo had to work hard to increase supply to deal with the initial demand of the Wii. Nintendo's primary drive is to maintain the demand to eat up that supply. Its not going to try to maintain the current profit margin on the Wii at the expense of growing inventory.

Demand is falling already but I doubt it will ever fall to an extend that Nintendo will have to worry about inventory piling up so much that they will make agressive price drops.
 
Demand is falling already but I doubt it will ever fall to an extend that Nintendo will have to worry about inventory piling up so much that they will make agressive price drops.

Demand is falling in Japan, seems stable in Europe and has actually shown growth in the US. The month of Sept 07 represent the second biggest month in sales in the US. US demand is eating up the slowing demand in japan.

Production volume has probably stayed near max capacity for a while now. But after the holiday demand will fall and probably trigger a price cut to keep demand in line with volume capacity.
 
Demand is falling in Japan, seems stable in Europe and has actually shown growth in the US. The month of Sept 07 represent the second biggest month in sales in the US. US demand is eating up the slowing demand in japan.

Production volume has probably stayed near max capacity for a while now. But after the holiday demand will fall and probably trigger a price cut to keep demand in line with volume capacity.

Small price drops are expected
 
Small price drops are expected

The size of the price cut is up to Nintendo. We have no idea how much cost Nintendo has shaved off the Wii. A $50.00 price cut is likely to drive more sales than a $100.00 price cut did for Sony. A 20% knock off is likely to drive sales at any price point.
 
The size of the price cut is up to Nintendo. We have no idea how much cost Nintendo has shaved off the Wii.
We can make educated guesses though, just as we did back at PS3's launch with expectations of a reduction to $400 within a year. We know the core expenses of the Wii BOM - CPU, GPU, RAM, DVD drive, mobo, etc. Of those, many components are small and cheap enough at launch that they ahve enabled Nintendo to be very profitable from day one, but as a result, have far less cost reduction capacity. The DVD drive is probably as cheap as it'll ever get these days. The RAM price is unlikely to drop significantly - one of the core reasons consoles are always RAM constrained. The CPU cost is tiddly so even if they halve the cost, they'll only save half-of-tiddly dollars. The GPU is large enough that they could shave some notable (double figure) dollars of costs from my back-of-the-pie-in-the-sky estimate. All taken together, $30 off BOM over its life is probably good for this machine. And that's if they aggressively pursue chip reductions, which itself has a cost.

Point being, PS had like a BOM of $800 at launch, which over the life of PS3 could maybe be reduced down to $200 or less, maybe. Whereas Wii had a BOM of maybe $130, of which a reduction might go down to $100. This are clearly figures for illustration purposes! Thus PS3 will gain multiple price reductions from cost savings through the implementation of new technologies in a way Wii won't. It can't. The only way a Wii will drop from price from $250 to $150 is for Nintendo to give up their huge profits on the system. Price drops are something Nintendo won't be eager for and actively pursuing, unlike Sony. The DS shows the sort of price-reduction policy we can expect from Wii IMO - absolutely nothing as long as it sells! (which of course is true for all consumer products. You don't drop your price while demand matches your manufacturing capacity)
 
The size of the price cut is up to Nintendo. We have no idea how much cost Nintendo has shaved off the Wii. A $50.00 price cut is likely to drive more sales than a $100.00 price cut did for Sony. A 20% knock off is likely to drive sales at any price point.
Well it is up to Nintendo, but I doubt they will do a big price cut. A $50 sounds normal.

If you are comparing the very very first $100 price cut for the PS3 with a possible $50 price cut for Wii, maybe yes.

But another price cut on PS3 of $100 at this point, compared to a $50 price cut for Wii, I am not expecting that Wii will generate much more sales than PS3 or atleast by a big difference(unless some spirit of negativity is involved). Wii is already very very cheap. Price is not as much of a factor holding people away from buying it than it is for PS3. The current price is already driving the sales.
 
We can make educated guesses though, just as we did back at PS3's launch with expectations of a reduction to $400 within a year. We know the core expenses of the Wii BOM - CPU, GPU, RAM, DVD drive, mobo, etc. Of those, many components are small and cheap enough at launch that they ahve enabled Nintendo to be very profitable from day one, but as a result, have far less cost reduction capacity. The DVD drive is probably as cheap as it'll ever get these days. The RAM price is unlikely to drop significantly - one of the core reasons consoles are always RAM constrained. The CPU cost is tiddly so even if they halve the cost, they'll only save half-of-tiddly dollars. The GPU is large enough that they could shave some notable (double figure) dollars of costs from my back-of-the-pie-in-the-sky estimate. All taken together, $30 off BOM over its life is probably good for this machine. And that's if they aggressively pursue chip reductions, which itself has a cost.

Point being, PS had like a BOM of $800 at launch, which over the life of PS3 could maybe be reduced down to $200 or less, maybe. Whereas Wii had a BOM of maybe $130, of which a reduction might go down to $100. This are clearly figures for illustration purposes! Thus PS3 will gain multiple price reductions from cost savings through the implementation of new technologies in a way Wii won't. It can't. The only way a Wii will drop from price from $250 to $150 is for Nintendo to give up their huge profits on the system. Price drops are something Nintendo won't be eager for and actively pursuing, unlike Sony. The DS shows the sort of price-reduction policy we can expect from Wii IMO - absolutely nothing as long as it sells! (which of course is true for all consumer products. You don't drop your price while demand matches your manufacturing capacity)

I have a hard time following your argument since it doesn't directly address mine. Maybe we have some miscommunication going on somewhere.

Sony has been able to garner additional sales by trying to be more competitive with its pricing. Someone made a point about Sony being close to turning the corner.

I made the comment that Sony's return on its effort to price reduce come with Nintendo basically standing still. If Sony is going to turn the corner it must show that the PS3 can sell even in the face of Nintendo upping demand through price reductions. This under the assumption that for the PS3 to garner major sales it must come at the expense of Wii sales. I doubt you can have two consoles both moving 500K a month in the US over an extended period of time.

My point is that while Sony has been bleeding away billions of dollars lowering the price of the PS3. There are profit margins built into that $250.00 price tag on the Wii, so Nintendo has the luxury of cutting prices without relying on subsidizing hardware losses through software sales. Furthermore, Wii software is cheaper to develop and thus represent higher profit margin per software unit, which means Nintendo can sustain a higher level of subsidization on hardware losses than Sony.

To put into perspective, a $167 (33% 0ff) Wii doesn't represent anywhere near as large a loss (if one at all) as the one incurred by Sony to introduce a $400 (33% off) PS3. Plus, whatever dollar for dollar cost reduction advantage the PS3 has over the Wii it is minimized by the PS3 high price tag and the fact that the Wii sells for over its cost while the PS3 sells for under its cost. Plus that advantage is totally lost when the PS3 gets within the mainstream price range. The Wii will have rather comfortable journey through the mainstream price range, while the PS3 will have a rather rough ride.
 
Well it is up to Nintendo, but I doubt they will do a big price cut. A $50 sounds normal.

If you are comparing the very very first $100 price cut for the PS3 with a possible $50 price cut for Wii, maybe yes.

But another price cut on PS3 of $100 at this point, compared to a $50 price cut for Wii, I am not expecting that Wii will generate much more sales than PS3 or atleast by a big difference(unless some spirit of negativity is involved). Wii is already very very cheap. Price is not as much of a factor holding people away from buying it than it is for PS3. The current price is already driving the sales.

The majority of the PS2 sales came south of the $200 price tag. No console can show stable sales at one price point over period of years. The Wii must reduce price to maintain pace. The Wii doesn't have to grow sales just maintain the current levels. If the Wii can maintain the current levels, the PS3 will have a hard time finding traction in areas other than japan. If price cuts don't make a major impact on sales below $250 then why did Sony have 3 and plans a fourth post introduction of the $199.00 PS2.
 
The majority of the PS2 sales came south of the $200 price tag. No console can show stable sales at one price point over period of years. The Wii must reduce price to maintain pace. The Wii doesn't have to grow sales just maintain the current levels. If the Wii can maintain the current levels, the PS3 will have a hard time finding traction in areas other than japan. If price cuts don't make a major impact on sales below $250 then why did Sony have 3 and plans a fourth post introduction of the $199.00 PS2.

Well I did say earlier that price drops are expected. The question is how much will the price drop be and when?

Where we are disagreeing isnt wether Wii's sales will be helped by a price drop, or Nintendo will need a price drop. It is on the "amount" of the price drop and of the sales Wii can generate with the expected price cut and/vs the amount the PS3 can generate with the expected price cut.

There are differences between Wii and PS2 too. Wii came one year late: Despite that it is still the cheapest console of all its competitors by a very significant amount and is already sold at a price that normally other consoles would have been sold after a longer period into their maturity. This wasnt the case for the PS2.
1)Edit: This significant price difference with its competitors might generate such a size of demand today, that it will be enough for Nintendo to work at near full capacity for a longer period even if sales do fall a bit. Incentives to reduce price wont be large enough to do big price drops or as frequently.
2)there is a possibility that potential customers that would have normally jumped later to Wii because of a certain price tag, jumped earlier, which as a result future potential owners could be compressed. In the long run this may be shown as slower increases of Wii sales than expected with each price cut unless Nintendo becomes more agressive (or similar high profile games to FF, Halo etc are released on it). The other two consoles are closer to price discrimination, absorbing sales slowly from different classes of income (from higher to lower) as they cut prices. Their potential buyers could be accumulated for future consumption.

Another thing I am thinking is that Wii is probably deviating significantly from being a close substitude to 360 or PS3, so a certain amount of Wii sales may indicate less than previously towards permanently lost sales for its competitors.

Now ofcourse I may be wrong or only partially right with my estimates but there is a high possibility that these could be the case as well.

(I think economics are starting to affect my brain way too much :p)
 
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Just saw the NDP sales, 520k for wii so there goes a pricecut anytime soon. As for the lower price = more sales argument, didnt the ps3 also got a pricecut in the states or was that EU/Jap only? because ps3 only did 120k.

Well whatever it is, We do know for sure that everytime nintendo looks on their bankaccount they probably are OMGROLFLOLLEROMGBBQ!1!!
 
The last few weeks were its lowest sales ever in Japan by significant margins. Even this last week at 41k (with the release of super mario), I think it is down from any point prior to september.

Can't be bothered to check on the exact numbers and stats, because either way that doesn't match the scenario you mentioned.

How do you know that it will be proportional. Also you dont know when this "poportional reduction" will take place

I don't, just like nobody here making comments on cost savings knows.. I just think it will be.

Its a matter of strategy.
Nintendo has less reasons to reduce prices than Sony. ect ect

Of course yes, they have literally no reason to, while Sony have every reason. But I wasn't talking about wether Nintendo or Sony should want to drop the price of there systems.
 
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I don't, just like nobody here making comments on cost savings knows.. I just think it will be.
Yeah but you state it as if you know it will be proportional when there is no historical data that can support it. Proportional price drops in what time frame? Sony may make reach 10% price drop in 4 months and Wii in 7. They are incomparable. Its not likely that everytime one makes a price drop the other will do an exact proportionate price drop simultaneously.

Of course yes, they have literally no reason to, while Sony have every reason. But I wasn't talking about wether Nintendo or Sony should want to drop the price of there systems.
Its about incenctives and opportunity costs of price drop. This is what is going to determine when it is going to happen and by how much. If Nintendo sees less reasons to do it they wont do it. So why discuss about something they are likely not to do as if they are very likely to do it?
 
PS3 Clobbers Wii and Xbox 360 in Japan

PS3 Clobbers Wii and Xbox 360 in Japan

According to the weekly sales numbers, the PS3 more than tripled its sales with 55,924 units compared to the Wii's 34,546 and the Xbox 360's scant 5,817. The PS3 sales spike comes after the launch of the force-feedback DualShock 3 controller as well as a cheaper 40GB model alongside price cuts for both the 20GB and 60GB iterations.
 
FAMITSU (12-18 November)

DSL 81000
PSP 66000
PS3 53000
Wii 36000
PS2 8800
360 5700

1.Mario Party DS 115000(357000)
2.REUC 105000
3.Musou5PS3 73000(250000)
4.Game Center CX 46000
5.Famista DS 45000
6.SMG 43000(378000)
7.Heavenly Sword 16000
8.Wii Sports 15000(2106000)
9.Wii Play 15000(1662000)
10.FFTA2 14000(249000)

PSP is still alive, afterall.
 
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