Is this going too far...

[epicstruggle]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31890-2004Mar28.html
Protestors swarmed the house of karl rove. during the protest 2 children inside the home started crying because they were frightened by what was happening. Is this going to far?? Since when has your residence been an acceptable place to go and protest.

Palacios said that Rove was "very upset" and was "yelling in our faces" and that Rove told them "he hoped we were proud to make his 14-year-old and 10-year-old cry."

A White House spokesman said one of the children was a neighbor.

Palacios, trembling and in tears herself, said, "He is very offended because we dared to come here. We dared to come here because he dared to ignore us. I'm sorry we disturbed his children, but our children are disturbed every day.

This is going to be the ugliest political seasons of all times.

later,
epic

 

[jvd]

Thats when my sprinklers suddenly go off and all those beware of dog signs get a full work out .

ANd if that doesn't work I allways have my gun

 

[John Reynolds]

It is going too far, but I find it hard feeling much pity for someone like Karl Rove. Feel bad for the children that were frightened, though.

 

[RussSchultz]

It is going too far, but I find it hard feeling much pity for someone like Karl Rove. Feel bad for the children that were frightened, though.

I guess its OK to stalk somebody you don't like, as long as you don't scare their children?

 

[Natoma]

I want to start off by saying I in no way shape or form condone what happened. To attack someone's home in such a fashion is frankly uncalled for and unwarranted, and imo could and should lead to arrests.

However, Rove has been allegedly complicit in the destruction of other households, though not in such a, uhm, spectacular physical fashion. Someone in the white house outed Ambassador Wilson's wife as an active undercover CIA operative, apparently in a "get back at" maneuver for Ambassador Wilson telling on the administration regarding the Niger story. I find it hard to believe that with Rove's power over the political process for the President, that he wasn't at least aware of this at some level.

In reality, if she had been deep undercover at the time, that could have been akin to putting a gun to her forehead and pulling the trigger. Is this practice a more physical manifestation of such acts? Certainly. Has this administration, and in large part Rove, been complicit in character and professional destruction of its "enemies?" Definitely.

So while I do not condone this course of action and think that people's families should be left out of politics, because there should be a line that politics simply doesn't cross, there is that old saying about karma and all that.

 

[epicstruggle]

Did i miss the story that rove was the one to leak the identity of the ambassadors wife??

later,
epic

 

[Natoma]

Did you miss the words allegedly complicit?

 

[epicstruggle]

Did you miss the words allegedly complicit?

If i put a sentence together containing you, "allegedly complicit", and child rape, would that sentence be ok?? No it wouldnt, and I would not stand for anyone making such accusations of you. So unless there is some truth/fact that points rove to the story, I think we should suspend from making such accusations.

later,
epic

 

[Natoma]

Basically what I'm saying epic is that the outing of ambassador wilson's wife is "in character" for Rove and this administration. There is a clear pattern on their part of performing character and professional assassination on any foe that disagrees with them. That is why I find it hard to believe he had nothing to do with it.

But c'est la vie. As I said before, no one deserves to have picketers outside their home. That should be personal space. I guess sometimes Karma doesn't give a damn where you are though. heh.

 

[John Reynolds]

But c'est la vie. As I said before, no one deserves to have picketers outside their home. That should be personal space. I guess sometimes Karma doesn't give a damn where you are though. heh.

That was originally my first thought, too; karma is a bitch.

Russ,

Where does lack of pity = ok to stalk? Sheesh.

 

[indio]

karl rove has a direct hand in policys that KILL children. having your own children brought to tears and complaining about it shows that he expects himself to be immune to the fray. If you doesn't like it . Quit. I think he needs to do his part for the war on terror and stop whining bacause atleast his children are alive to cry.

 

[epicstruggle]

karl rove has a direct hand in policys that KILL children. having your own children brought to tears and complaining about it shows that he expects himself to be immune to the fray. If you doesn't like it . Quit. I think he needs to do his part for the war on terror and stop whining bacause atleast his children are alive to cry.

You only see the negative, his policies could be argued have saved more lives than were lost, including children.

later,
epic

 

[indio]

karl rove has a direct hand in policys that KILL children. having your own children brought to tears and complaining about it shows that he expects himself to be immune to the fray. If you doesn't like it . Quit. I think he needs to do his part for the war on terror and stop whining bacause atleast his children are alive to cry.

You only see the negative, his policies could be argued have saved more lives than were lost, including children.

later,
epic

I am seeing the negative? No I'm seeing the REALITY to date. And no you can't argue that more lives are saved. That is just delving into fantasy. Saying lives are going to be saved in the future as a result of current US policy is as irrational as saying all children in the world will die as the result of US policy. More children have died since September 11 than the total # of casualities in the towers. I guess they must have been with the terrorists. Like I said Karl Rove is paying the smallest of prices. I wonder how he's feel if he had to carry half of his child to a third world hospital in 100 degree weather during a blinding sand storm. He sure wouldn't have the luxury of whining to the press nor would he want to. Such trivialities would be the farthest thing from his mind.

 

[RussSchultz]

Never mind that in Iraq (assuming Iraq is Karl Rove's doing), children are actually getting vaccinations now. Schools have been rebuilt, etc.

No, he eats babies for lunch, and drinks their blood too.

 

[Natoma]

Mmmmmmm. Baby blood...

But in all seriousness, just to clear some things up. I doubt Karl Rove had a hand in the Iraq policy. He can't be held responsible for foreign policy miscues (miscue imo of course). For all his power in the administration, he is pretty much the campaign strategist, not policy maker. Granted there is some overlap, but I doubt he had that much power.

 

[indio]

Never mind that in Iraq (assuming Iraq is Karl Rove's doing), children are actually getting vaccinations now. Schools have been rebuilt, etc.

No, he eats babies for lunch, and drinks their blood too.

The level this has been done on is a mere pittance and you know it.

 

[RussSchultz]

No, he eats babies for lunch, and drinks their blood too.

The level this has been done on is a mere pittance and you know it.

Its below a mere pittance. He doesn't drink their blood at all. You should spend less time at progressive websites and expand your horizons to encompass a broader news base.

 

[Vince]

I am seeing the negative? No I'm seeing the REALITY to date. And no you can't argue that more lives are saved. That is just delving into fantasy. Saying lives are going to be saved in the future as a result of current US policy is as irrational as saying all children in the world will die as the result of US policy. More children have died since September 11 than the total # of casualities in the towers.

Wait, we can't be rational and assume that since estimates for Saddam's deathtoll has been estimated at between 500,000 to 1,000,000 people in the last two decades, this would likely continue with upto 50,000 people killed this year alone, and another 50,000 next year, and the year after if we didn't act -- but you can state that "more children have died since Sept11 than the total # of casualties in the towers*"? I think not.

Like I said Karl Rove is paying the smallest of prices.

Bullshit. You don't do this to the man's family and kids, if you have a problem with his work and actions, you do it through having a better position, better ethics, and better policies. Witness Martin Luther King's conduct.

* Which is true, it's called abortion.

 

[indio]

First off I don't go to progressive web sites. That's why you don't hear "talking points" or other types of parroting coming out of my statements.
Please try and equate protesting and hurting a man's child's feelings and having your son blown to bits by a cluster bomb for the shear fact of being born and having children in Iraq.
Break out of your partison thinking and actually examine what your saying.
It is inhumane and down right sickening to treat some innocent's person's death as if it leads to a greater good in the long run but treating one's own inconvenience of a disturbed child as going to far.
BTW where did those statistics come from ?
Neverland? I hope so cause we know how reliable the administration is with numbers. Have they gotten a single statistical estimate correct? If you want me to enumerate all the messed up numbers of the current administration I will starting with medicare and working backwards .

Here's mine from the leftist BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/1740538.stm
3000 deaths as of january 2002 (over a year ago)
Given the current demographics Afghanistan (most of the adult male population is deceased becuase of 20 years of war) it was almost certainly mostly children.
http://www.abacci.com/atlas/demography.asp?countryID=120

Age structure: 0-14 years: 42.37% (male 5,598,403; female 5,371,054)

and that's with one of the highest infant mortality rates in the world.

 

[Vince]

It is inhumane and down right sickening to treat some innocent's person's death as if it leads to a greater good in the long run but treating one's own inconvenience of a disturbed child as going to far.

Excellent point, shit, if only there were people as smart, unbiased and farseeing as you back in 1945 so they could have stood outside of Louis Howe's house and done the same. How dare those bastards expect to actual raise a normal family which is abstracted from the horrors of contemporary politics. For how could they when Howe was a political advisor to Roosevelt at the same time the evil powers that be firebombed Dresden and Tokyo, incinerated two Japanese cities and leved all of central Europe, Asia and the Pacific in the futile belief that those who did die did so for a greater good in the long run. Those fools...

PS. My statistics, if you're questioning me, are by a brief piece entitled Terror and Tyranny: By the Numbers by Joel Mowbray. They also were with regard to Saddam Hussein, who lead Iraq... not Afghanistan.