Is it possible the new X360 model has shrunk chips? (X360E)
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After reading Azbat's post I realise that too. I was totally sure that the Xbox 360 was going to be free if you purchased it using the subscription model for Xbox Live.But prices are the same in the end. ohh, the disappointment... Whaaaaaaaaaaaa ! -Sob!-.
is there no 250gb with kinect sku anymore? there's one currently or at least there was at one time. it was 349.
maybe they're trying to streamline for retail 3 sku's is already a lot.
It's almost certainly the 32nm chip, Oban, which we heard about ages ago from Charlie in August 2011 as "the next Xbox chip" manufactured at IBM (which he clearly got confuzzled with "Xbox Next/Durango"), and which was also mentioned quasi-recently in that IBM engineer's linkedin profile.
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Hm... so 45nm Xenos/Xenon was about 168mm^2, and the daughter die was about 45mm^2 at 65/55nm...
IBM's 32nm eDRAM is ~11Mbit/mm^2, or 80Mbit should be around 7mm^2 give or take. A Power7 core shrunk to about 0.71x for Power7+ @ 32nm (just ball park estimate). So Oban may be around 125mm^2 though it might end up being bigger to accommodate the HSIO link between the eDRAM and Xenos. Wonder how that'll turn out. Also, maybe the shrink won't be "as good" considering Xenos? *shrug* I'd hope it wasn't bigger than 140mm^2. :s
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Hm... so 45nm Xenos/Xenon was about 168mm^2, and the daughter die was about 45mm^2 at 65/55nm...
IBM's 32nm eDRAM is ~11Mbit/mm^2, or 80Mbit should be around 7mm^2 give or take. A Power7 core shrunk to about 0.71x for Power7+ @ 32nm (just ball park estimate). So Oban may be around 125mm^2 though it might end up being bigger to accommodate the HSIO link between the eDRAM and Xenos. Wonder how that'll turn out. Also, maybe the shrink won't be "as good" considering Xenos? *shrug* I'd hope it wasn't bigger than 140mm^2. :s
Most likely. I found only a few old SKUs still around on Amazon, but they are $409 to $423. Ouch. I might consider the 2560gb mini, but $300 is too expensive. Should be $250 or less. Guess MS were serious about profitability. I think I'll hold onto my fat elite for awhile longer.
BTW you can get a 4gb slim with Kinect for less than the new mini for $280 at Walmart.com. It's a family bundle with your choice of family title(Once Upon a Monster, WipeOut & Who Wants to Be a Millionaire).
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bet a price drop will happen in sept . MS seems to like doing that and it makes sense , the xbox 360 is still the best selling console in America and I'm sure they can get a few more months of good sales based off the new design then drop it a month or two before the xbox one drops.
The PS3 shrunk without any changes to the chips. Plus the new 360 doesn't look very small.
Well consider that the phat was designed for 90/90 CPU/GPU characteristics. Then they moved to 65/65. The chassis/cooling would have been "overkill" or at least run quieter. Slim came when they had 45/65. Slim later had 45/40 - again, a chassis that originally wasn't designed for the later shrink. Slim 2 also seems to have a more inexpensive design in general anyway, and likely saves them money in the long run if they're sticking to 45/40 for a while.
Food for thought: if MS could have built this new, smaller & quieter design on the first Slim's process nodes, why didn't they just do that in the first place
It's about 30mm smaller in width give-or-take (horizontal orientation). The width is pretty much limited by the drive and fan/heatsink, so naturally the latter would have to be reduced in size for this new design. Given the same load as you're proposing (Vejle 45nm), a smaller fan would need a higher RPM to achieve similar air flow rate. However, they're also saying this thing is quieter, so there must be a change in heat dissipation requirement unless you believe they are willing to create a device more prone to overheating?Anyways, as mentioned before, we've had indications/rumours for a long while that MS has been working with IBM to get a 32nm SoC up and running. It makes a lot of sense for that and this to coincide.
If it only were so simple...
IBM was absolutely involved on this.
I didn't see a pic with the heatspreader removed.
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