On a similar note, i knew i'd own neither.DemoCoder said:
as to the ati/nv crud. When there is a game out there that pushes the limit of my current card, ill look at my options and purchase accordingly.
epic
Is Elite Bastards pro-nVidia now?
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as to the ati/nv crud. When there is a game out there that pushes the limit of my current card, ill look at my options and purchase accordingly.
epic
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Of course it is. There's a bunch of FP24 fragment processors in there, and it can render floating point buffers. It just can't blend them.
HDR simply means high dynamic range. It doesn't require the use of an FP blend unit in any way, for something to be capable of 'HDR'.
Now where did this come from DC? I was asking for opinions, I wasn't casting judgements.DemoCoder said:
Of course, you don't need FP blendng or filtering for HDR. In fact, you don't even need a GPU!
More seriously though, FP blending and filtering means developers can add HDR with a lot less effort; it will run a lot faster than if you filtered manually in the shader, and used buffer ping-ponging to do blending.
This thread was pitiful to read... Fun, like any of the other shows played by the local fanboys, but pitiful nonetheless.
This whole corporate allegiance thing, with fully grown-up and supposedly normal beings, is out of control.
And while we're at it, some of the IHV supporters should learn to write shorter missives about their beloved company.
Reading inane and completely biased fan-fictions bordering the insanity is already a pain as it is, but reading 10K words of inane and biased fan-fiction is a torture (Well, if you read those posts in the first place, that is).
This whole corporate allegiance thing, with fully grown-up and supposedly normal beings, is out of control.
And while we're at it, some of the IHV supporters should learn to write shorter missives about their beloved company.
Reading inane and completely biased fan-fictions bordering the insanity is already a pain as it is, but reading 10K words of inane and biased fan-fiction is a torture (Well, if you read those posts in the first place, that is).
I promise that I will never let you make a fool of yourself (For a too long moment, that is. I laugh at you a few minutes and then I'll stop you.geo said:But you guys have to promise that if I start getting at WaltC length with any kind of regularity that y'all will stage an intervention.
)trinibwoy,
It's all about S3!! Virge 3D decelerator for life!
That remind me, that a few years ago I throw my VirgeGX... This industry is moving too fast! I'm not even sure there's high res pictures of the thing, nor of games running on it, on the web these days.
We really should create a 3D accelerator web museum or something.
So, at the considerable risk of sending people off to their bad place. . .that quote from Orton in my sig:
"take the definition of 'performance leadership' to a whole new level." is something to conjure with. Typical CEO trying to calm the crowd while the smell of smoke is coming from the rear of the theater? 'Cause literally would suggest visions of R300 vs NV30. . .
I put it in my sig for two reasons. One as ATI's statement of confidence that R520 is back on track. . .and two as a reference point of their own choosing to judge R520 when it does show up.
"take the definition of 'performance leadership' to a whole new level." is something to conjure with. Typical CEO trying to calm the crowd while the smell of smoke is coming from the rear of the theater? 'Cause literally would suggest visions of R300 vs NV30. . .
I put it in my sig for two reasons. One as ATI's statement of confidence that R520 is back on track. . .and two as a reference point of their own choosing to judge R520 when it does show up.
DemoCoder said:
Yea, nV is the pits, i'n't it?...
Heh...But I really can't agree with you, DC. Things have changed, and for the better, I think. nV isn't trying to dissuade me from DX9 nor is it trying to sell me DX8 in the form of nV3x anymore--so I consider nV to have at least partially broken free of its prior self-destruct mold and to have advanced past the dark days of nV30. That's definitely a positive, don't you think?
My biggest fear, now that ATi has succeeded in getting nV to play follow-the-leader and dragged it kicking and screaming into DX9 and beyond, is that ATi will become confused and start chasing its tail by regressing back into a defensive mode in its responses to the things nV is doing today.
I surely hope that doesn't happen, as that indeed would be the same, old, broken-record crap wouldn't it?...
IMO, R300 was the best, most innovative thing to hit 3d since the V1, and thankfully, despite the efforts of all nV's horses and all nV's men, nV40--the ultimate repudiation of everything nV ever said about nV30--was born. I don't fancy going backwards and would like to see present trends continue. Let's keep on moving forward, shall we? I think the best way to do that is to never forget the past lest we be doomed to repeat it.
Bjorn said:
Heh-Heh...
The question as it portends to the nV version of HDR is not whether playable games claiming to support this feature exist, but whether such games are playable when this "feature" is turned on in them...When I bought the 9800, btw, I didn't do so for HDR support--which I saw then, as now, as very small potatoes indeed. Please don't trivialize the remarkable advances R3x0 brought to the table by equating them with HDR. Considering how much great stuff there was about R3x0 to truthfully promote it seems so strange to see R3x0 revised merely to "HDR support". It's like missing the forest because of the tree.
Face it: had there been no R3x0 there'd have been no nV40, either. I feel exceptionally comfortable with that conclusion.
Vysez said:I promise that I will never let you make a fool of yourself (For a too long moment, that is. I laugh at you a few minutes and then I'll stop you.
It's been my long-held observation that generally those who laugh at my posts only do so because for some reason or another they understand very little of what I've said...
Furthermore, such persons exhibit no desire to understand what I write should it transgress their favorite bias.Such posts are generally identifiable by descriptive adjectives like "fool" or "fan-boy," as the respondents lack any other way of responding to my positions, which is understandable since they didn't understand me to begin with and they are frustrated by that inability. Or else they don't want to understand, which I suppose can be equally frustrating. But that's life, isn't it?...
I try to avoid the use of such adjectives at all times, but then I rarely feel personally threatened by the dissenting opinions I encounter. Every once and awhile I'll read such an opinion that is worth thinking about, you know (but only so long as it remains free of such adjectives.)Only WaltC can write long statements in a thread that both pours scorn on people who favour one company over the other whilst silmultaneously eulogising over Ati and their products... and then brashly stating that people think he is a fanboy because they do not understand what he writes
And long may it continue !
And long may it continue !
Understanding what you say in your posts is not the problem, if we can call it that, of those who laugh at your posts.WaltC said:Vysez said:I promise that I will never let you make a fool of yourself (For a too long moment, that is. I laugh at you a few minutes and then I'll stop you.
It's been my long-held observation that generally those who laugh at my posts only do so because for some reason or another they understand very little of what I've said...
No, the problem is that it's way too long for what it is. A simple opinion, that contains no informations of any sort (other than the poster's thoughts), on a message board.
While I enjoy reading most people posts, and therefore their opinions, awfully biased-or-not, there's, I admit, a limit to the time I can spend on reading a post. A verbose 10 000 words essay on how Ati is a wonderful company just doesn't cut it. Seriously, it does not.
Ati was just used as an example, of course...
Don't take those remarks too seriously, though, I'm just jesting.
If you feel that you need a very long post to carry your views on a subject, that's your choice. It's just that a lot of people must skip your posts altogether because of that (Or it's because people are stupid and have profound inability to comprehend what you say, as you humbly implied
).WaltC said:Heh-Heh...
Far Cry with HDR is afaik playable on the NV40. You'll loose a lot of performance of course, but i'd rather wait to see some more games coming out with this feature to declare it useless on the NV40 series.
I don't really care why you bought the 9800 or that it brought other remarkable advances to the table cause we're talking about HDR here and yes, it was one of the feautures of the R300 that was brough up together with screenshots from HL2 and so forth. What i don't understand is you're criticism of the N40 and HDR when it's actually seems to work.
