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MBX is also going to be switched off on the 200 million plus TI OMAP 2420/2330 chips about to be shipped too I heard on a Nvidia forum. Let's face it, 3D isn't 3D unless it's from Nvidia - GO NVIDIA!!! We love your marketing department *cough* I mean 3d chips !!!

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Lazy8s said:
MBX is a preferred choice for display chips too, then.

What a silly statement. The pepperpad guys needed an SVGA LCDC to stick next to Xscale, and the 2700G was their only choice. The MBX is wasted silicon, but Intel doesn't offer a 2700G without an MBX. So now MBX gets to take credit for all of the rest of the functionality in the SoC? Too funny!
 
If Intel doesn't have a good enough display chip without MBX, they apparently feel it's not worth building one without MBX's flexibility and performance to address the needs of multiple media types. Their customers apparently agree with them enough to not go with one of many competing, MBX-less solutions.
 
Lazy8s said:
If Intel doesn't have a good enough display chip without MBX, they apparently feel it's not worth building one without MBX's flexibility and performance to address the needs of multiple media types. Their customers apparently agree with them enough to not go with one of many competing, MBX-less solutions.

I don't think its a "good enough" issue. Vendors make multi-function chips that they hope satisfy most of their customers needs. Obviously there are going to be customers that want to use a subset of the functionality. The only reason I replied on this thread is that I keep seeing these customers that DON'T enable the function being used as examples of the popularity of MBX (or appropriateness for different screen sizes, etc.) in this forum.
 
SiBoy said:
Actually its the opposite. Lazy8s used the presence of the MBX in Pepperpad as an example of a graphics core capable of driving the larger screen sizes.
And I was just pointing out that the PepperPad's rather slow interface has nothing to do with MBX and that MBX, even MBX Lite, is perfectly capable of driving resolutions of 800x480 and above at interactive framerates.
 
SiBoy said:
What a silly statement. The pepperpad guys needed an SVGA LCDC to stick next to Xscale, and the 2700G was their only choice. The MBX is wasted silicon, but Intel doesn't offer a 2700G without an MBX. So now MBX gets to take credit for all of the rest of the functionality in the SoC? Too funny!

I haven't the slightest idea where this "disabled" rumours come from and who and why are trying to generate smoke in the system. From what I've heard Pepperpad is Linux based, which should mean that there's merely a port to their OS missing (windows mobile isn't it?).

As far as the Intel2700G goes, there wouldn't had been ANY LCD controller to get out there if any company wants to? Tons of them. The 2700G doesn't only contain a 3D accelerator but also a set of other multimedia related IP from IMG which are of course also present on Pepperpad. There's video acceleration on it or not? Who's to get credit for that? A supposed disabled chip?

I can understand that Pepperpad might try to find excuses for their customers for their lack of proper software implementation. Sooner or later the truth will surface anyway.
 
SiBoy said:
I don't think its a "good enough" issue. Vendors make multi-function chips that they hope satisfy most of their customers needs. Obviously there are going to be customers that want to use a subset of the functionality. The only reason I replied on this thread is that I keep seeing these customers that DON'T enable the function being used as examples of the popularity of MBX (or appropriateness for different screen sizes, etc.) in this forum.

All it takes is a port of the driver to their OS variant.
 
Ailuros said:
I haven't the slightest idea where this "disabled" rumours come from and who and why are trying to generate smoke in the system. From what I've heard Pepperpad is Linux based, which should mean that there's merely a port to their OS missing (windows mobile isn't it?).

"Merely". All it takes is productizing some SW right, QA, etc.. Piece of cake :) I take it you've never worked in this field.

Ailuros said:
As far as the Intel2700G goes, there wouldn't had been ANY LCD controller to get out there if any company wants to? Tons of them.

List a few

Ailuros said:
I can understand that Pepperpad might try to find excuses for their customers for their lack of proper software implementation. Sooner or later the truth will surface anyway.

Did it ever occur to you that maybe they or their target customers have no interest in 3D at this time? It's not ineptness or a conspiracy against ImgTech.
 
SiBoy said:
"Merely". All it takes is productizing some SW right, QA, etc.. Piece of cake :) I take it you've never worked in this field.

No I don't and hence I also don't have interests in it. Do Pepperpad's or do they not lack in a driver port for their OS?

Did it ever occur to you that maybe they or their target customers have no interest in 3D at this time? It's not ineptness or a conspiracy against ImgTech.

Pepperpad is a customer of Intel in this case anyway, so this has absolutely nothing to do with IMG and even if extremely indirectly.

I guess it depends in this case which excuse sounds better in the end.

List a few

http://www.electronicstalk.com/news/skc/skc118.html

I can't believe that there weren't/aren't more than a few LCD controllers available from Sharp, NEC, Philips etc.
 
SiBoy said:
The only reason I replied on this thread is that I keep seeing these customers that DON'T enable the function being used as examples of the popularity of MBX (or appropriateness for different screen sizes, etc.) in this forum.

Call me shocked when you (I think it was you or Sis) first mentioned that MBX was disabled! Here I've been recommending the Axim to co-workers based on the fact that it had MBX (and thus a certain level of performance) only to find out I've "screwed" them. Doh! Now I've got some apologizing to do.
 
Ty said:
Call me shocked when you (I think it was you or Sis) first mentioned that MBX was disabled! Here I've been recommending the Axim to co-workers based on the fact that it had MBX (and thus a certain level of performance) only to find out I've "screwed" them. Doh! Now I've got some apologizing to do.

Dell Axims have the 2700G fully operational.

You're making my point for me. This is a whole apps processor, not an LCD controller. If they used this chip they would be disabling even more than the MBX!

I merely tried to find an LCD controller that goes over 800*600 and that was the first thing that popped up. So what you're saying is that none of the large companies that deal with LCD technology, not even one would license just a controller.
 
The MBX Lite is fully enabled in the Axim and does accelerate multimedia, like the games.




... as Ailuros just clarified before I realized.
 
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Ty said:
Whew! Thanks, now I don't feel so stupid.

Don't feel stupid, you asked a good question before. The Dell Axim is one of the devices that has a 2700G that makes use of the MBX. And then there are ones like the Pepperpad that don't.

Does anyone know of any devices besides the Axim commercially available in the US that one could see the MBX in action on? I'm obviously more interested in phones than PDA's or weird tablet type internet appliance devices.
 
Ailuros said:
I merely tried to find an LCD controller that goes over 800*600 and that was the first thing that popped up. So what you're saying is that none of the large companies that deal with LCD technology, not even one would license just a controller.

Small form factor VGA screens are still pretty new. There aren't a lot of good performing parts to choose from.
 
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