Iraq war wasn't justified, UN weapons inspectors say

[indio]

If it was up to me i'd pull aid going to every country and pull troops from every outpost and say fuck you world . But you know what. They'd prob turn around and say we are so bad because we aren't helping them .

no more foreign aid or loan guarantees, which are really government subsidies for selected industries. If some dictator is brutalizing innocent civilians we go in and mop the floor with them. After the 5th or 6th country we won't have to do it anymore.

 

[Legion]

If it was up to me i'd pull aid going to every country and pull troops from every outpost and say fuck you world . But you know what. They'd prob turn around and say we are so bad because we aren't helping them .

no more foreign aid or loan guarantees, which are really government subsidies for selected industries. If some dictator is brutalizing innocent civilians we go in and mop the floor with them. After the 5th or 6th country we won't have to do it anymore.

Doubtful. I say it isn't our responsibility. I'd personally like to see Europe more involved in the fighting.

 

[RussSchultz]

It's not up to you decide if Iraq is liberated it's up to Iraqi's .

Well, somebody should ask them.

Oh wait, someobody did: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_03_04_iraqsurvey.pdf

I can guarantee they don't feel liberated.

I'm glad I wasn't depending on your guarantee.

 

[indio]

Q6 - Apart from right and wrong, do you feel the US-led coalition force invasion…
Base = All respondents
%
Humiliated Iraq 41.2
Liberated Iraq 41.8
Difficult to say 17.0
Total 100.0

First there are some problems with the poll such as the sample size is way to small. This question choices are heavily biased to the point of obsurdity. If you don't feel humiliated how do you answer?

The thing this poll tells us is the majority of Iraqis don't feel liberated.
The thing this poll tells us is the majority of Iraqis don't feel humiliated.


So you have to be liberated , humiliated or confused.
To put it bluntly this poll is garbage and does not pass the smell test.
When I start seeing iraqis telling reporters everything is better and they are liberated then I'll believe it.

 

[jvd]

indio in 5 years when they have malls and can buy hot dogs and have 50 inch plasma tvs and playstation 3 and designer clothing if they take the poll their answers will be very very diffrent .

They don't feel liberated right now because the country is still in disary because those that used to have power are upset they dont' have it anymore and want so badly for us to leave so they can take it back and keep those things i listed for themselves .

 

[RussSchultz]

Speaking of protests, here's a 'funny' story with pictures concerning the recent NYC protest.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=8090306

 

[RussSchultz]

DP

 

[Humus]

If you don't feel humiliated how do you answer?

"Difficult to say"?

 

[RussSchultz]

What if you feel liberated, but humiliated?

 

[John Reynolds]

I love peace protesters. They're so innocent, so sweetly naive. And so f'in stupid. Wake up, people, we don't live in an ideal world where if we harness peaceful thoughts into a crystal it'll harmonize the rest of the world. And what brainiac thought up that stop 'n rush tactic? That's a sure-fire recipe for people getting hurt when you're dealing with crowds of that size.

 

[Clashman]

Your belittling patronage is anything but appreciated, John.

 

[John Reynolds]

Your belittling patronage is anything but appreciated, John.

Seriously, WTF good does it do to march out and cry for peace? What happens if peace protests to our occupation of Iraq exert so much political pressure on the Bush administration that they cave and pull out of Iraq. Is that peace? Is that what the protestors want? And is that good for us or for the Iraqi people?

Books, not bombs? You think Al-Qaeda or other terrorist organizations feel the same way? What would be the result if we did dismantle our military? Show me an example of peace derived from weakness and I'll whistle a different tune.

 

[Legion]

John the humorous thing is without a war in Iraq there still wouldn't be peace. These peace protestors are classic myopic hippies who can't see beyond the obvious. They didn't have solutions to world problems in the 60s and they sure as hell don't now.

They can have their peace at the cost of lives starving NK and dying under oppression around the world.

 

[Clashman]

I take issue with the very ground you wish to stand on. There's nothing weak about non-violence, nor are people "crying" for peace, nor, for that matter, are people calling to take everything out of Iraq without replacing it. It's a fradulent argument.

Furthermore, what good does opposing any administration policy do, if you're just going to fall in line once they actually do it?

 

[Sazar]

I love peace protesters. They're so innocent, so sweetly naive. And so f'in stupid. Wake up, people, we don't live in an ideal world where if we harness peaceful thoughts into a crystal it'll harmonize the rest of the world. And what brainiac thought up that stop 'n rush tactic? That's a sure-fire recipe for people getting hurt when you're dealing with crowds of that size.

its their perogative... their legal right to do so... regardless of how right or wrong it may be...

 

[Legion]

I take issue with the very ground you wish to stand on. There's nothing weak about non-violence, nor are people "crying" for peace, nor, for that matter, are people calling to take everything out of Iraq without replacing it. It's a fradulent argument.

Furthermore, what good does opposing any administration policy do, if you're just going to fall in line once they actually do it?

Its not a fraudulent argument at all. It is infact, truth, sorry to say. The peacenik haven't an adequate solution. All they look to do is retain the status quo.

 

[Sazar]

I take issue with the very ground you wish to stand on. There's nothing weak about non-violence, nor are people "crying" for peace, nor, for that matter, are people calling to take everything out of Iraq without replacing it. It's a fradulent argument.

Furthermore, what good does opposing any administration policy do, if you're just going to fall in line once they actually do it?

Its not a fraudulent argument at all. It is infact, truth, sorry to say. The peacenik haven't an adequate solution. All they look to do is retain the status quo.

that is one way of looking @ it...

the flipside is peaceniks are not the one's causing wars... it is war-mongerers on both sides of the equation who never look for balance but always to wrest the initiative for themselves...

when looking @ all the destruction peacenicks have/have not caused... the other side of the argument has to be looked @ as well..

 

[Legion]

that is one way of looking @ it...

the flipside is peaceniks are not the one's causing wars... it is war-mongerers on both sides of the equation who never look for balance but always to wrest the initiative for themselves...

when looking @ all the destruction peacenicks have/have not caused... the other side of the argument has to be looked @ as well..

war mongers are no better. Certainly no one is promotting war mongering. Peaceniks though facilitate violence and silently condone atrocities. Peace at any cost.

 

[Clashman]

Its not a fraudulent argument at all. It is infact, truth, sorry to say.

Well, that convinces me!

The peacenik haven't an adequate solution.

According to you. You haven't set standards as to what defines "adequate". I would define the situation in Iraq currently as being far from "adequate".

All they look to do is retain the status quo.

Pile upon pile of horseshit. Doesn't this ever get tiring for you, Legion?

 

[Sazar]

that is one way of looking @ it...

the flipside is peaceniks are not the one's causing wars... it is war-mongerers on both sides of the equation who never look for balance but always to wrest the initiative for themselves...

when looking @ all the destruction peacenicks have/have not caused... the other side of the argument has to be looked @ as well..

war mongers are no better. Certainly no one is promotting war mongering. Peaceniks though facilitate violence and silently condone atrocities. Peace at any cost.

again you have to understand they are expressing their opinion... I was strongly against the war in iraq and I am rather disappointed in many areas of the reconstruction of Iraq however I know as well as most on this board that pulling out of iraq is the worst thing that could happen...