Inquirer: We Have NV40 Sample...

[Ailuros]

Two molex connectors?

That doesn't make any sense! One will work just as well as two. The only worry would be pulling so much current through one wire that you burn out the wire, but I don't think most computer power supplies can actually supply that kind of current.

You answer yourself why a second molex connector would be there and it doesn't make sense? With such high rates of power consumption it's always better to play safe.

That's what I think. The NV4- has been 16 pipe all along.
They knew the 420 had 12 so they upped them a little.

I just found some ancient Lego stuff I used to play with as a child. I decided to build a GPU with them and adding/deducting pipelines was a piece of cake....what do you know... 8)

 

[bkswaney]

Two molex connectors?

That doesn't make any sense! One will work just as well as two. The only worry would be pulling so much current through one wire that you burn out the wire, but I don't think most computer power supplies can actually supply that kind of current.

You answer yourself why a second molex connector would be there and it doesn't make sense? With such high rates of power consumption it's always better to play safe.

That's what I think. The NV4- has been 16 pipe all along.
They knew the 420 had 12 so they upped them a little.

I just found some ancient Lego stuff I used to play with as a child. I decided to build a GPU with them and adding/deducting pipelines was a piece of cake....what do you know... 8)

Well, I took 2 9800's and made a 19600 last night.

 

[ben6]

Eh I wouldn't worry about the Inquirer too much on copying their article. After all they took my Final Fantasy demo picture without permission . After they said that AMD would NOT launch FX53 yesterday, take EVERYTHING they say with 2 grains of salt

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=14768

 

[trinibwoy]

ummmmm what's up with the unadulterated Inquirer bashing. personally I read it for the same reason I read B3D posts....it's entertaining. And they did have their little UPDATED note saying that it was in fact coming out.

 

[digitalwanderer]

ummmmm what's up with the unadulterated Inquirer bashing. personally I read it for the same reason I read B3D posts....it's entertaining. And they did have their little UPDATED note saying that it was in fact coming out.

I like the Inquirererer, but it's earned the bashing. Fuad has a tendancy to post before he thinks at times. (Sayeth the kettle of the pot... )

 

[ben6]

unadulterated? Sorry, but when a website takes a picture out of an article with the WATERMARK still present in the picture and keeps it there 2 years after I kindly asked them to simply attribute the shot with a "this shot came from "this review" or remove the picture with this response "I took it off the net, didn't know it came off your article. We are too lazy to take our own picture you understand, right?"

Sorry I don't understand. Article theft is very common these days just ask the people at Bjorn3d...

 

[ben6]

The Inq's picture (at least they took off the "here's a pic we took"

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4140

My article

http://www.pcrave.com/reviews/245.htm

The replicated pic

http://www.pcrave.com/screenshot.htm?/images/reviews/gf3ti500/aki_leaningaa5.jpg

 

[pakotlar]

The Inq's picture (at least they took off the "here's a pic we took"

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=4140

My article

http://www.pcrave.com/reviews/245.htm

The replicated pic

http://www.pcrave.com/screenshot.htm?/images/reviews/gf3ti500/aki_leaningaa5.jpg

I'm sorry, but that's just sad... Inq

 

[KimB]

Yeah they can. Burning out traces is a common problem if you pull too much current. It happens all the time when people put too-big fans on their motherboard fan-power headers.

Alterntively, it could be a method of keeping power traces short due to interference issues.

For once, BZB, you've convinced me. I wasn't thinking about what high currents could do to traces on the board. Yes, that would be a good reason to support multiple molex connectors. I would hope, however, that nVidia would offer a splitter, since I still think burnout of the wires from the power supply shouldn't be an issue. Obviously one has to consider that not all power supplies are made equal, of course.

 

[RussSchultz]

For once, BZB, you've convinced me. I wasn't thinking about what high currents could do to traces on the board. Yes, that would be a good reason to support multiple molex connectors. I would hope, however, that nVidia would offer a splitter, since I still think burnout of the wires from the power supply shouldn't be an issue. Obviously one has to consider that not all power supplies are made equal, of course.

Nonsense. The single molex would go to the power and ground planes directly and no small traces would be involved.

If you can pull enough current at 5v to scorch a 12 gauge wire, you've got bigger problems than what two 12 gauge wires can solve.

 

[KimB]

Heh. I guess that makes sense too. I suppose you may still want to use multiple molex connectors if you want to save board space (i.e. to not have a power plane across the whole board, in order to use that layer for routing of data lines), but I would think that would defeat the purpose.

 

[epicstruggle]

unadulterated? Sorry, but when a website takes a picture out of an article with the WATERMARK still present in the picture and keeps it there 2 years after I kindly asked them to simply attribute the shot with a "this shot came from "this review" or remove the picture with this response "I took it off the net, didn't know it came off your article. We are too lazy to take our own picture you understand, right?"

Sorry I don't understand. Article theft is very common these days just ask the people at Bjorn3d...

2 wrongs dont make a right. What they did to you was wrong, but so is taking a whole article. We need to practice good netetiquette, maybe one day we will get the inq to follow along eventually.

later,
epic

 

[ben6]

unadulterated? Sorry, but when a website takes a picture out of an article with the WATERMARK still present in the picture and keeps it there 2 years after I kindly asked them to simply attribute the shot with a "this shot came from "this review" or remove the picture with this response "I took it off the net, didn't know it came off your article. We are too lazy to take our own picture you understand, right?"

Sorry I don't understand. Article theft is very common these days just ask the people at Bjorn3d...

2 wrongs dont make a right. What they did to you was wrong, but so is taking a whole article. We need to practice good netetiquette, maybe one day we will get the inq to follow along eventually.

later,
epic

Um there is one major difference. He gave the source of the article and a link to the article where he got it from.

 

[Dave Baumann]

While I can't comment on the article, having just got back from CeBit, I do know Paul and some of his background. Paul brings something different to the Inq and, IMO, when you read something at L'inq that Paul writes try to put aside your general Inq scepticism and read the article as is.

 

[epicstruggle]

unadulterated? Sorry, but when a website takes a picture out of an article with the WATERMARK still present in the picture and keeps it there 2 years after I kindly asked them to simply attribute the shot with a "this shot came from "this review" or remove the picture with this response "I took it off the net, didn't know it came off your article. We are too lazy to take our own picture you understand, right?"

Sorry I don't understand. Article theft is very common these days just ask the people at Bjorn3d...

2 wrongs dont make a right. What they did to you was wrong, but so is taking a whole article. We need to practice good netetiquette, maybe one day we will get the inq to follow along eventually.

later,
epic

Um there is one major difference. He gave the source of the article and a link to the article where he got it from.

Why should i go to the site of the actual article, if it has already been copy and pasted in its entirety. See, no ad revenue to the inq.

later,
epic

 

[epicstruggle]

While I can't comment on the article, having just got back from CeBit, I do know Paul and some of his background. Paul brings something different to the Inq and, IMO, when you read something at L'inq that Paul writes try to put aside your general Inq scepticism and read the article as is.

welcome back, hope you'll be able to shed somelight around some of the threads that have come up lately. Although its more than likely that your under nda. Anything outside of graphics cards that wowed you?

later,
epic

 

[Natoma]

While I can't comment on the article, having just got back from CeBit, I do know Paul and some of his background. Paul brings something different to the Inq and, IMO, when you read something at L'inq that Paul writes try to put aside your general Inq scepticism and read the article as is.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10946

Maybe you could put a "true/false/you should believe this guy/you shouldn't believe this guy" stamp on this thread considering the disagreement that is enveloping it?

 

[Mintmaster]

I don't know what gauge is used for the molex connectors (can't be 12, Russ, cuz that's some enormous wire), but when you think about it, if they're getting 60 watts from the 12V line, that's 5A, or if it's from the 5V line, that's 12 A. Now NV30 was consuming 75W, and they managed to suck that from one connector and from AGP, so it's probably not going to take much more power for them to need another one.

I know my air compressor (5 HP) asks to be plugged directly into the wall for this reason, and it has a 14-gauge wire. You won't get much more than 10A from a wall socket either.

What I'm saying is that we're definately approaching the limits of the sustained current that the wire can withstand, so two molex connectors isn't surprising at all.

 

[Geeforcer]

What I'm saying is that we're definately approaching the limits of the sustained current that the wire can withstand, so two molex connectors isn't surprising at all.

Time to move to higher voltages?

 

[Doomtrooper]

Not to mention with a fully equipped tower and drawing that kind of power it would exceed most quality powersupplies 12V rail output.