IE8 release today?

Silent_Buddha said:
Not sure if it's the same, but you can always reopen your last closed session. Likewise you can re-open recently closed tabs. Just open a new blank tab and you'll have options for both of those if applicable.

The only way I know to save a tab set is either to save it as a homepage or save it to favorites into a folder. There's an option to add current tab set to favorites, you'll then be prompted for a folder. You can then open all favorites in that folder into tabs. It opens with the tabs grouped however which is annoying.
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Thanks for that info! I never read what was in the new tab before opening a website in it. I also set New Tab to display "a blank page" instead of "new tab page". I just noticed if you right-click on any tab the context menu includes 'reopen closed tab' and 'reopen closed tabs' submenu. :oops:

They're getting closer to how FireFox operates, which is a good thing.
 
BRiT said:
Thanks for that info! I never read what was in the new tab before opening a website in it. I also set New Tab to display "a blank page" instead of "new tab page". I just noticed if you right-click on any tab the context menu includes 'reopen closed tab' and 'reopen closed tabs' submenu. :oops:

They're getting closer to how FireFox operates, which is a good thing.
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Definitely, especially as I get older and older, I get less and less inclined to change my ways (switching browsers constantly for example). Pretty soon I imagine I'll be one of those older gentlemen that doesn't know how to program his remote or VHS/DVD/Blue-Ray recorder or TVR. :p hehe.

Regards,
SB
 
Silent_Buddha said:
Although I dislike the way new tabs are opened in IE8 as opposed to IE7. New tabs always open as the last tab in the group rather than immediately after the current tab and then successively adding tabs after those.
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Actually in IE8 you can open new tabs either way. If you want to open up a new tab at the end you just click on that little tab extension at the end. OTOH if you want to open up a tab next to the current active highlighted tab you just right click on it and select new tab and it will open up a tab right next to it. In fact it will also make the colors of the tab the same ie the mother, daughter aand sibling tabs will all be the same color.

Anyway I really like what MS did with IE8 especially the anti-crash feature.
 
IE8 on XP32SP3 sucks. Why does it create loads of handles and threads per tab? The original iexplore.exe process also creates many "jobs" which apparently is used for the tab handling.

In Firefox 3.0.7, if I create hundreds of empty tabs, nothing happens wrt. handles and threads.

In IE8, if I create only 10 empty tabs (empty as in, not load that tab info page or anything, just blank page) it creates several threads (sometimes 9, sometimes 2 or 1) per tab and opens 30-40 handles.
 
Why does it matter to you how many threads it creates if they sit idle waiting for events to occur? The open handles I can see if they don't get released.
 
BRiT said:
Why does it matter to you how many threads it creates if they sit idle waiting for events to occur? The open handles I can see if they don't get released.
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I created enough tabs so that it prevented me from closing IE8 by normal means, that is, everything except actually killing the process.

It just reeks of bad architecture.
 
Alright, that is indeed bad. I'm surprised by it being that badly done. They should have at least used a thread-pool with timer threads to limit the upper-bounds of resources used.
 
I invite you to try it, just click the new tab button for a while and watch Process Explorer. Watch the jobs it crates, watch the handles counter, watch the threads counters.

Then I clicked first the big X in the upper right corner, IE8 asked me if I really wanted to close with all tabs or current tab, I clicked all tabs, dialog went away and nothing happened. I clicked file - exit, it asked again, I clicked all, then it closed all but 4 tabs who apparently had locked in the "connecting" state which is a weird state when each new tab was set to open a blank page, thus nothing to connect to.
 
Chrome was the first I think to properly create tabs that were fully independent processes so that problems with one website wouldn't get in the way of another. If IE8 works in a similar way there is nothing wrong with that. However, as Chrome showed, it's not so easy to get right. I think Chrome got it mostly right, but all the plugins need to behave properly as well. Chrome made a new standard for this but something like Flash could still mess up the whole browser initially.

Looks like I'll be waiting a little while before trying IE8 (though maybe I'll try it in an image).

The best thing about IE8 is that it's supposed to adhere to standards better - the problem that other browsers have suffered from is that websites were often tailored to deal with rendering issues in IE7 in such a way that this would look weird or sometimes just not work on browsers that do adhere to the standards.
 
RudeCurve said:
Actually in IE8 you can open new tabs either way. If you want to open up a new tab at the end you just click on that little tab extension at the end. OTOH if you want to open up a tab next to the current active highlighted tab you just right click on it and select new tab and it will open up a tab right next to it. In fact it will also make the colors of the tab the same ie the mother, daughter aand sibling tabs will all be the same color.

Anyway I really like what MS did with IE8 especially the anti-crash feature.
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Agreed.
 
BRiT said:
Alright, that is indeed bad. I'm surprised by it being that badly done. They should have at least used a thread-pool with timer threads to limit the upper-bounds of resources used.
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I'm not sure its much of an issiue. I just opened a LOT of tabs. Not sure how many but certainly WAY more than I would ever use in a practical situation (probably around 40 -60) and it closed fine.

So you must need to open some crazy amount of tabs to get it to fall over. On that subject, i'm loving the new quick tabs feature!
 
But empty tabs shouldn't use any resources. It is dumb. Why does it open handles for nothing?
 
Installed it yesterday, got throught this huge problem ->IE failed to load any page openend throught middle-click links, they seemed to just wait forever for server response.

Moreover, suddenly all explorer windows opened in separate windows instead of the same window, as it was set in the folder options.

Vista x4 SP1 here.
 
Bludd said:
I invite you to try it, just click the new tab button for a while and watch Process Explorer. Watch the jobs it crates, watch the handles counter, watch the threads counters.

Then I clicked first the big X in the upper right corner, IE8 asked me if I really wanted to close with all tabs or current tab, I clicked all tabs, dialog went away and nothing happened. I clicked file - exit, it asked again, I clicked all, then it closed all but 4 tabs who apparently had locked in the "connecting" state which is a weird state when each new tab was set to open a blank page, thus nothing to connect to.
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Hey Bludd I just tried your experiment. :) And it didnt happen for me the way it happened for you. So I kept opening new tabs and I think I had 24 tabs open. I also kept an eye on the task manager. I noticed there were 7 iexplore processes. I noticed as I added 4 new tabs, 1 new process got added. That was interesting I thought.

Then I went ahead and closed the entire rowser and the whole browser shut down in an instant. There was no problems at all. And I noticed all the iexplore processes went away as well. All the RAM that the processes had been using got reclaimed as well. I think it was 650 MB of overall ram being used with all those tabs open at that time and after I closed the browser it dropped to 442 mb.

As for the handles that is indeed a good point and I dont know what the answer to that will be. Bottomline the way I see it is that IE8 is almost as a browser tied with FF3. Addons just make FF3 that bit better. It is a good attempt on the part of MS but is there room for improvement? Hell yes!!
 
Interesting. I created many more. I should try it again, but now I will create a bunch of empty tabs and then go to the middle one and try loading a page.
 
You can specify how you want a new tab to behave. I set it to just create a blank page.
 
RudeCurve said:
Actually in IE8 you can open new tabs either way. If you want to open up a new tab at the end you just click on that little tab extension at the end. OTOH if you want to open up a tab next to the current active highlighted tab you just right click on it and select new tab and it will open up a tab right next to it. In fact it will also make the colors of the tab the same ie the mother, daughter aand sibling tabs will all be the same color.

Anyway I really like what MS did with IE8 especially the anti-crash feature.
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Not quite what I meant. I mean is that if for example I have 5 tabs open in a grouped set of tabs (all the same color).

If I then right click on a link and select open in a new tab it will always append it at the end of the group of tabs. In IE7 when you do this it always added the new tab immediately after the current tab and then appended each new tab to the end of successive new tabs until such time as you left the current tab.

The current way in IE8 is annoying. As I tend to browse and open tabs but not switch to them as I read an article. It's especially annoying if I've been doing this for a while, have 8 or 9 tabs open in a tab group and then want to open a picture to view and close. Rather than it being the immediate next tab and easy to access instead it's all the way at the end, and possibly scrolled off the screen (if I have a lot of tabs open due to a long sessions) then I have to not only scroll to it but then have to scroll back to the original article.

So now I have no real choice than to open in a new window which defeats the purpose of tabs. But at least it's less annoying.

I'll have to do some digging to see if there's a way to have IE revert new tabs opening to this method while still maintaining grouped tabs.
 
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