I see Console forum is becoming less democratic

Shifty Geezer said:
Proper debate needs the possiblity to show people they're wrong. eg. Person A states an opinion on the nature of hardware X. I reply saying they're wrong because of point Q. Person B responds saying point Q is moot because quote G shows point Q's source is a load of P. I retract my statement being the wiser. Having an opinion without having a reason for that opinion is rather illogical, and by sharing our reasons for believing what we do, hopefully we can come to consensus, or at least see things from a different perspective if we don't end up agreeing.

absolutely


The other situation more akin to your point in agreeing to disagree is person A suggesting opinion V. Person B counters with opinion W. A counters W with opinion X, and B responds with Y. Neither can agree, so they leave the topic at that. They don't dredge up arguments VWXY over and over every time they end up responding to a different post from each other.
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yes, that is what I meant :)
 
koldfuzion1 said:
Anyway, as a noob if I interject myself in some technical discussion I don't belong in, please feel free to warn me! Sometimes I can't help myself, but I do try to add something insightful or intelligent even if it's not really news or can shed light on some highly technical point.
Feel free to enter any discussions even the more technicals ones. Nobody will, or should, warn you for this.
As long as you're posting and debating in a reasonable and polite manner, like you do here, your opinion is as good as any other.

BlueTsunami said:
Yeah thats true...when it comes down to it, many people have made that claim to cover their asses (a retort to someone calling you a ).
Actually, I never understood why possessing all the console would imply that the person is unbiased. Bias and possessing all the consoles aren't mutually exclusive.

Oh, and the word fan-boy is censored on the forum (Thanks to the good people of the PC forums calling each others Nvidia and Ati fan-boys all day long). ;)
 
Vysez said:
koldfuzion1 said:
Anyway, as a noob if I interject myself in some technical discussion I don't belong in, please feel free to warn me! Sometimes I can't help myself, but I do try to add something insightful or intelligent even if it's not really news or can shed light on some highly technical point.
Feel free to enter any discussions even the more technicals ones. Nobody will, or should, warn you for this.
As long as you're posting and debating in a reasonable and polite manner, like you do here, your opinion is as good as any other.

BlueTsunami said:
Yeah thats true...when it comes down to it, many people have made that claim to cover their asses (a retort to someone calling you a ).
Actually, I never understood why possessing all the console would imply that the person is unbiased. Bias and possessing all the consoles aren't mutually exclusive.

Oh, and the word fan-boy is censored on the forum (Thanks to the good people of the PC forums calling each others Nvidia and Ati fan-boys all day long). ;)

LOL...I didn't know the F word was censored...lol...thats very funny. It is true that just because you own all three consoles that you become equally thoughtful of all three. I won't name what Console it is...but one of my consoles is severely neglected :? . So yeah....owning all three consoles holds no weight at all....
 
Hi, I am a new poster who has been lurking here for a long time. I think this forum is incredibly mature and respectful for the most part when it comes to the debates. This also seems to be the only forum that is taken seriously in other console forums.

I think this "low point" in the Console forum is greatly exaggerated. During my time here I have not seen an administrator prop a flame war (cough Cesar in TeamXbox cough) nor have I seen people engage in immature flame wars like the notorious Gamespot forum or the inane IGN forum.

Personally, I am a little bit more disappointed in seeing some of the long time posters cite the Inquirer (The Sun UK of tech news). Anyways, I doubt this forum will ever become as bad as other console forums. Keep up the great work!
 
And to me only owning only one company's console shouldn't make you a FB. Just because someone can only afford one console with 15-25 games dedicated to that console shouldn't put that person at a disadvantage when talking about debates. People do have friends and their friends could own didn't consoles.
 
mckmas8808 said:
And to me only owning only one company's console shouldn't make you a FB. Just because someone can only afford one console with 15-25 games dedicated to that console shouldn't put that person at a disadvantage when talking about debates. People do have friends and their friends could own didn't consoles.

That is true but by owning a certain console you can see where the preference is. I think what physcial console you own shouldn't hold any weight at all. So the whole thing about who owns what console (even though it may tell where your preference is) shouldn't be used as a tool to attack someone or a tool to shroud yourself :devilish: )
 
IMO this is the worst patch the console forum has seem in a long time.

When it was first created it was really bad, but for the most part it got a lot better.

A lot of it has to do with an influx of new people, and the posting rate is way up with no more information spread amongst the posts.

I just wish people wouldn't take every post as an excuse to throw in unrelated X is better than Y posts that invariably lead to flame wars.
 
BlueTsunami said:
SERENITY NOW
Hear hear! ;)

Acert said:
It was my old sig, and it was something like:

"Enjoying a product does not neccessitate hating said product's competition."
You might also have added "saying one negative thing about a console does not necessitate you hate everything about it. But unfortunately, both those statements are the way far too many people respond.
 
ERP said:
IMO this is the worst patch the console forum has seem in a long time.

When it was first created it was really bad, but for the most part it got a lot better.

A lot of it has to do with an influx of new people, and the posting rate is way up with no more information spread amongst the posts.

I just wish people wouldn't take every post as an excuse to throw in unrelated X is better than Y posts that invariably lead to flame wars.

There have been occasions where people will make cross thread comments....its pretty funny because you've got one thread where this guy is going off on everyone..then brings that same frustration to a different thread where people are oblivious to what is happening. The angry :devilish: poster unleashes his anger in the new thread and it totatlly seems like that poster has turrets :oops: .

There should be a Console Federation where each console fan gets to represent their console and speak in a democratic forum without yelling at each other.....It will be Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft and Sega (For good measure)....the Phantom will be like some small comonwealth...sorta like Puerto Rico (half in, half out :LOL: )
 
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ERP wrote:
IMO this is the worst patch the console forum has seem in a long time.

When it was first created it was really bad, but for the most part it got a lot better.

A lot of it has to do with an influx of new people, and the posting rate is way up with no more information spread amongst the posts.

I just wish people wouldn't take every post as an excuse to throw in unrelated X is better than Y posts that invariably lead to flame wars.


There have been occasions where people will make cross thread comments....its pretty funny because you've got one thread where this guy is going off on everyone..then brings that same frustration to a different thread where people are oblivious to what is happening. The angry poster unleashes his anger in the new thread and it totatlly seems like that poster has turrets .

There should be a Console Federation where each console fan gets to represent their console and speak in a democratic forum without yelling at each other.....It will be Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft and Sega (For good measure)....the Phantom will be like some small comonwealth...sorta like Puerto Rico (half in, half out )
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Good Idea
 
We lock threads instead of deleting them for the most part for two reasons

1) sometimes there is good info in them before the thread goes to shit


2) So the person can see what happened and doesn't post a OMG MY THREAD IS GONE !!!!
 
sometimes i see threads locked with no explanation, this isn't good because it can seem arbitrary.

sometimes when there are explanations they are not targeted as someone, like we would be all responsible, but when there is one forumer that derailed the thread it would be better if the responsability is put on him.
 
Can i ask a stupid question?

Why is it that the word fanboi was censored, when someone can just write fanboi or f4nboy or fangirl or whatever else (including much worse things including body parts, orifices and animals) to convey the same message?

Does censoring the word fan-boy-all-in-one-word make this a better place? If anything it makes it confusing when someone goes "You're just a !".. I mean it's not like we don't know!

Ok question time over.
 
Magnum PI said:
sometimes i see threads locked with no explanation, this isn't good because it can seem arbitrary.
It would be nice to see a 'Thread locked because' message tagged on the end of locked threads, as education of what NOT to do next time. Even if it's just 'Thread Locked because you haven't paid you jvd Protection Money' :D
 
These forums are fine and I like the way they're moderated. I don't have to sift through every thread reading stupid shit because those are already locked 8)
 
Magnum PI said:
sometimes i see threads locked with no explanation, this isn't good because it can seem arbitrary.

sometimes when there are explanations they are not targeted as someone, like we would be all responsible, but when there is one forumer that derailed the thread it would be better if the responsability is put on him.

Sometimes we just don't have time and feel its obvious to why its locked.

Sometimes we have the problem that someone says something and others derail the thread blaming them for derailing it . Which happened earlier today .


Can i ask a stupid question?

With my limited use of phpbb (had it on my personal site for a few weeks) Dave would have to sit around and type in each version of the word and click block . Don't think he wants to spend 20 mins doing that :)
 
The word fanboy is blocked for obvious reasons. It is a clear insult to someone and is not tolerated. If there is a post using any derivative of fanboy, such as fanboi or fanb0y, and it is clear it is meant towards a person or a group of people then please bring it to the attention of a moderator. Action will be taken against the offending poster.

More threads might become locked depending how off-topic in nature they really are. Some people may see threads off topic and getting locked while others aren't, The main reason behind this is because if the thread that has gone off topic has constructive discussion in it then there is no need for us to close it. As long as the discussion is related to consoles and gaming and isn't a bunch of dribble then it may not be closed.

We've seen a large influx of new posters these past few weeks and some people such of the newbies do represent a major problem. There are other posters who've in the past have been a problem and have reformed. These include people such as chap. He has lapses now and then but he is mostly under constrol now.

I understand talyn99 has become a bit of a problem. We will watch over him and look at his posts to see if he calms down in terms of trolling and flaming.
 
Sonic said:
The word <bleep> is blocked for obvious reasons. It is a clear insult to someone and is not tolerated. If there is a post using any derivative of <bleep>, such as fanboi or fanb0y, and it is clear it is meant towards a person or a group of people then please bring it to the attention of a moderator. Action will be taken against the offending poster.
I think that's where his question came from, though... I mean, it's ALWAYS context and not spelling that determines if posts should get locked or warnings sent, so...

Plus, IMHO the people more likely to abuse the word poorly are the same ones who'd use it in l33t all the time anyway. ;) I think (insert proper spelling of "fanb0y" here) is one of the only locked words I've ever run across on here anyway, so it seems like an odd thing to single out.

Lots of posters use it in the clinical and analytical sense anyway, so the word-blocking just gets in the way. It mainly serves as "irritant" since it's not fully blocked anyway (someone will just go to an easy alternate spelling). If one wants to get people off using the word at ALL, then really the common derivatives should also be blocked simply so people are less likely to want to use the term in general. And if not, we might as well remove the "spelling block" and simply go by the reporting/mod-judgement method anyway, since that's the important part.

Plus, as much as people do accuse others of being fanbois, it's usually not in any more insulting a manner than the "questioning of someone's intelligence for DARING to express a different opinion about what Console Maker X's move means" that comes out all the time regardless. :p Or the overuse of smileys in a sarcastic comment that you might THINK are there to show a "kidding" attitude, but serve only to augment the asininity. :LOL: :p :LOL:

;)

At any rate, since most of the time I want to use the word simply to talk about "that type" of gamer or the particular "subcultures" (if you want to call it that) that surround fanbois of one stripe or another, I'd vote that the restriction simply be dropped as inconvenient, rather than effectual or having to do with judging a statement anyway. It's always going to be the overall tone and chain of posts that mods will make their decisions from anyway, not the use of one word over another.




...unless that word is "belgium" of course. There is simply NO excuse for using that kind of language on a public forum! ;)
 
I see your points and do agree to a certain extent. Regardless of the context the word is meant in it was originally banned before jvd and I became mods I do believe.

We each have our own modding style and do things a little bit differently.

If threads get locked without an explanation then it is probably because the reason is obvious and right out there in the thread for all who read it to see.
 
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